bdc30 0 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.256 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $19.45UTG+1: $29.30CO: $19.15Hero: $40.45SB: $22BB: $25Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 4 A 3 8 UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB raises to $1, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.Flop: 5 6 2 ($6, 6 players)SB checks, BB bets $6, UTG raises all-in $18.45, 2 folds, Hero raises all-in $39.45, Link to post Share on other sites
Metternich 0 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 nope, standard. One of the probably has a FD though, and might call. That would be frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I don't mind folding this. Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Fold? Hero has flopped the nut straight with a draw to a higher nut straight on an unpaired board. The push charges both the set and FD (assuming that's what's being played) the maximum to make their better hands. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I don't hate a fold, but with the gutshot and bdnfd I think we have enough redraw equity to get allin. Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 This is actually a part of the endless discussion "Folding the nuts in PLO". If you think there are spots in PLO where you should fold the nuts , this is it. If you don't , call and pray. Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 But why would you fold the nuts here? Aren't you a decent fav over both a set and flush draw here, assuming that's what villains hold? Or am I messing up my Omaha odds? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 But why would you fold the nuts here? Aren't you a decent fav over both a set and flush draw here, assuming that's what villains hold? Or am I messing up my Omaha odds?Ever considered that we could be drawing to a split pot at best? That's the problem.http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/sim...amp;h4=&h5=Or how about this:http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/sim...amp;h4=&h5= Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Wow, thanks. I clearly don't have a good handle on Omaha odds yet. I'm still thinking in terms of NLHE. Against a set or FD heads-up, Hero is a fav here - but against two villains, at least one of which could have a combo draw, Hero's hand isn't looking so good. Even against a straight set and flush draw, Hero's hand is behind the set.Okay, I don't mind the fold after all... Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Omaha odds are difficult to figure out. I play Omaha for months and i still keep propokertools.com open while playing to check the odds after big pots. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 I thought very hard about folding, but with the redraws, I called...I was up against the flush draw and the set, both of which hit...I couldn't win the main pot or the side pot. Standard. (neither of them had the same straight though, so I wasn't splitting when I called) Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 This is super-standard. The times you need to think about folding the nuts are when you're:1) significantly more than 4 PSB deep on the flop2) up against good opponentsYou really have no idea what you're average 0.10/0.25 donk has here. I've been playing a lot of 0.25/0.50 lately and you see people in BB's spot show up with two pair all the time, probably calling an all-in if they have top two. Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 What's "PSB"? Link to post Share on other sites
JCH22 0 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 What's "PSB"?I assume it's Pot Sized Bets. Link to post Share on other sites
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