simo_8ball 1 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $1/$26 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $62.50UTG+1: $212.80CO: $91.20Button: $194SB: $282.05Hero: $220.55Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 9 9 3 folds, Button raises to $7, SB folds, Hero raises to $25, Button calls $18 (pot was $31).Flop: 8 3 4 ($51, 2 players)Hero bets $38, Button calls $38 (pot was $89).Turn: 3 ($127, 2 players)Hero?Villain is 17.25/13.2 over 6.5k hands running at 3.4ptBB/100. No other playing notes.Effective stacks are $131 on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Over that many hands, I'd really hope that you had some kind of note for him. Knowing that he's a winning player isn't really that helpful becuase a flop like this is just as easy for him to slowplay a set or a big overpair as it is for him to float you on, which is certainly a part of his range if he's winning at this limit.This is pretty tough. I guess I don't hate a c/f since the only thing in his range that you're beating is a float, but also that makes up a LOT of his range IMO, so a crai is probably just as good. Maybe if you CRAI he even folds JJ or TT sometimes depending on how he sized his turn bet, but I wouldn't really count on that.Meh, I guess flip a coin. I'd lean towards CRAI, but c/f is fine too. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 You're down to two moves. This is pretty tough. I guess I don't hate a c/f since the only thing in his range that you're beating is a float, but also that makes up a LOT of his range IMO, so a crai is probably just as good. Maybe if you CRAI he even folds JJ or TT sometimes depending on how he sized his turn bet, but I wouldn't really count on that.Meh, I guess flip a coin. I'd lean towards CRAI, but c/f is fine too.Exactly where I'm at. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted October 22, 2007 Author Share Posted October 22, 2007 Over that many hands, I'd really hope that you had some kind of note for him.100% datamining. Don't think I've ever played a hand against him before this.As I see it, only 3 realistic hands beat me. JJ, TT and 88. I think he probably folds 44/33 to the reraise preflop.I don't know how many other hands he can have, but I'm certain that he folds any hand I'm beating to a turn bet (ok maybe if he floated with two spades).I don't want to fold an overpair here for a single psb when I could easily be against air, AK, 77, etc, so I think crai is my best option.I toyed with the idea of leading out with the idea of getting JJ/TT to fold, but I think that is a little fanciful. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 16 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 i don't like crai since it's basically check/call. i like bet/call or c/f. i lean towards c/f. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 i don't like crai since it's basically check/call. i like bet/call or c/f. i lean towards c/f.Bet/call sucks because of stack sizes.c/f seems pretty timid considering we get floated on flops like this A LOTCRAI is really the only way to get any value from worse hands. It doesn't really matter if it's basically a c/c. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted October 22, 2007 Author Share Posted October 22, 2007 i like bet/callIf we bet, what hands does he call or shove with that we beat? Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 16 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 If we bet, what hands does he call or shove with that we beat?yeah, i guess you're right. i'll retract that. if we crai our hand has about as much value as AK. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 if we crai our hand has about as much value as AK.This is mostly true. Doesn't make it a bad play though. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Stack sizes:UTG: $62.50UTG+1: $212.80CO: $91.20Button: $194SB: $282.05Hero: $220.55Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 9 9 3 folds, Button raises to $7, SB folds, Hero raises to $25, Button calls $18 (pot was $31).Flop: 8 3 4 ($51, 2 players)Hero bets $38, Button calls $38 (pot was $89).What hand are we repping and why is that the villain feels comfortable calling down with his holding? I'm guessing that he's not planning on bluffing. He might be floating ... I guess ... Link to post Share on other sites
shinzilla 0 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 100% datamining. Don't think I've ever played a hand against him before this.As I see it, only 3 realistic hands beat me. JJ, TT and 88. I think he probably folds 44/33 to the reraise preflop.I don't know how many other hands he can have, but I'm certain that he folds any hand I'm beating to a turn bet (ok maybe if he floated with two spades).I don't want to fold an overpair here for a single psb when I could easily be against air, AK, 77, etc, so I think crai is my best option.I toyed with the idea of leading out with the idea of getting JJ/TT to fold, but I think that is a little fanciful.I wouldn't rule out QQ, KK, or AA as holdings here. If this is the first time you've tangled in a 3-bet pot like this, I'd lean towards c/f here. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 What does ptBB/100 mean? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted October 22, 2007 Author Share Posted October 22, 2007 What does ptBB/100 mean?Pokertracker Big Bets per 100 hands.It comes from limit games where a big bet is 2xbb.At $1/$2 NL, a big bet is $4 according to PT. Link to post Share on other sites
GeneralGeeWhiz 0 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 This is a clear check for pot control. I think if he fires we call and see a river card. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 This is a clear check for pot control. I think if he fires we call and see a river card.If he bets and I call, on the river the pot will be $290ish and he'll have ~$50 left. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 I checked, villain bet $80, I shoved and villain folded for his last $50. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I checked, villain bet $80, I shoved and villain folded for his last $50.SUCCESS! Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I checked, villain bet $80, I shoved and villain folded for his last $50. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I checked, villain bet $80, I shoved and villain folded for his last $50.Villain makes a hero fold with JJ. Link to post Share on other sites
cwik 0 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I really like the CRAI line you guys have decided on.On that note, every time I make that same play in this spot the villain shows up with quads. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I checked, villain bet $80, I shoved and villain folded for his last $50.You totally made him Crai.HAHHAHAHA IM SO FUNNY. Link to post Share on other sites
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