AimHigher 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)MP1 ($5.30)MP2 ($9.68)MP3 ($6.62)CO ($9.50)Hero ($9.90)SB ($2.60)BB ($6.08)UTG ($9.94)UTG+1 ($3.55)Preflop: Hero is Button with K, Q. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, MP1 calls $0.05, 2 folds, CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.20, MP1 calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20.Flop: ($1.07) K, K, K(4 players)UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checksHero??lol. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)MP1 ($5.30)MP2 ($9.68)MP3 ($6.62)CO ($9.50)Hero ($9.90)SB ($2.60)BB ($6.08)UTG ($9.94)UTG+1 ($3.55)Preflop: Hero is Button with K, Q. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, MP1 calls $0.05, 2 folds, CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.20, MP1 calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20.Flop: ($1.07) K, K, K(4 players)UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checksHero??lol.if any of the players are calling stations I bet, most people will bet on the button with or without a hand... Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 RACISM!This one is acceptable to check. At least give SOMEBODY a chance to pair. You can only lose if somebody is slowplaying A-A and the turn and river bring the case aces.... so check. Link to post Share on other sites
Influcted 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Check and hope for a highcard on turn and bet then. Link to post Share on other sites
MinhLyFan 1 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Almost this exact same situation was presented to scott fischmen in a Cardplayer (fish tank or whatever..shark tank.. idk) and he said that he is almost always betting. If you are going to make a decent amount of money, you are going to need to play a big pot. If you check, you are keeping it small and will be luck to get someone committed. Link to post Share on other sites
jack24bauer24 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Make the most scared continuation bet of all time. Bet 25 cents. If everyone folds you weren't gonna make much money anyways. No one is going to give you credit for the king and an underpair could easily raise you. Link to post Share on other sites
AimHigher 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Author Share Posted October 21, 2007 Almost this exact same situation was presented to scott fischmen in a Cardplayer (fish tank or whatever..shark tank.. idk) and he said that he is almost always betting. If you are going to make a decent amount of money, you are going to need to play a big pot. If you check, you are keeping it small and will be luck to get someone committed.I am glad you stated this, because with a certain amount of ambivalence I bet. They all folded, and to be honest I had no idea what to do in this spot. Link to post Share on other sites
Andromeda 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 This one is acceptable to check. At least give SOMEBODY a chance to pair. You can only lose if somebody is slowplaying A-A and the turn and river bring the case aces.... so check.This is probably the way I would play it, you could bet and everyone would fold or you could increase the pot by checking and hoping someone hits something worth betting. Link to post Share on other sites
StPong 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 If you check after your pf raise it looks suspicious (unless you usually fail to c-bet).I'd bet 1/3 - 1/2 the pot. If you're going to make any more money on this hand, you may as well start building the pot here. It has been checked to you on the button with a set on the board. No one is going to give you credit for a K because it looks like you're stealing. My guess is they all folded because no one had an A to float with. Link to post Share on other sites
Metternich 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I make my standard cbet here and hope someone has something. It sucks, but you cant get action that isnt there. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I make my standard cbet here and hope someone has something. It sucks, but you cant get action that isnt there.What exactly can they have? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 What exactly can they have?A pocket pair? Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 a c-bet from the button doesn't really scream quads... have to bet if you c-bet a lot. IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites
AimHigher 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Author Share Posted October 21, 2007 a c-bet from the button doesn't really scream quads... have to bet if you c-bet a lot. IMHO.Most of the time I raise preflop I c-bet regardless. Link to post Share on other sites
StPong 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Also, if you just check this and wake up when someone catches on the turn or river, you look much stronger than if you just c-bet here. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Make the most scared continuation bet of all time. Bet 25 cents. If everyone folds you weren't gonna make much money anyways. No one is going to give you credit for the king and an underpair could easily raise you. If you check after your pf raise it looks suspicious (unless you usually fail to c-bet).I'd bet 1/3 - 1/2 the pot. If you're going to make any more money on this hand, you may as well start building the pot here. It has been checked to you on the button with a set on the board. No one is going to give you credit for a K because it looks like you're stealing. My guess is they all folded because no one had an A to float with. I make my standard cbet here and hope someone has something. It sucks, but you cant get action that isnt there. Also, if you just check this and wake up when someone catches on the turn or river, you look much stronger than if you just c-bet here.This is .02/.05. Hardly anyone at these stakes is playing smart.Not checking this is sort of retarded. Betting half the pot is super retarded. The ONLY thing you're getting any action from here is a PP, and if you check, they're still going to put their money in on the turn. Plus, you're really begging someone to make a decent full on the turn. The Zeebo theorem is nice for this hand. No one is folding a full. If the turn is an Ace, you're getting stacked almost 100% of the time since this is 10 max, and if the turn is a 10, J, Q, you're getting action. Pocket Pairs, as I said, are still going to come after you if you delay c-bet this and bet the turn.Just check, you have the board crippled. If the competition was better, I can see why you would want to bet, but here, there just isn't a point. Link to post Share on other sites
StPong 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 This is .02/.05. Hardly anyone at these stakes is playing smart.Precisely. People at these stakes tend to call if they think you don't have it, regardless of what they have but especially with an ace. Rarely will they ever think someone has quads. I think you end up making more money by betting here. Link to post Share on other sites
KramitDaToad 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 If you check after your pf raise it looks suspicious (unless you usually fail to c-bet).I'd bet 1/3 - 1/2 the pot. If you're going to make any more money on this hand, you may as well start building the pot here. It has been checked to you on the button with a set on the board. No one is going to give you credit for a K because it looks like you're stealing. My guess is they all folded because no one had an A to float with. I make my standard cbet here and hope someone has something. It sucks, but you cant get action that isnt there.Guys - its 4 to the flop. If you think checking there is suspicious or that a c-bet is standard you have leaks Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Guys - its 4 to the flop. If you think checking there is suspicious or that a c-bet is standard you have leaksGiving your opposition too much credit is a bigger leak. Link to post Share on other sites
KramitDaToad 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Giving your opposition too much credit is a bigger leak.Don't be ridiculous.If you c-betting when you miss with 4 to the flop you're daft Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I check.Believe me no one on that table will even begin to think "Oh my, he raised before the flop and didn't make a continuation bet, my suspicious poker playing sense is tingling, i'll proceed cautiosuly".Just check, if no one's bet to you there's a high chance they're all folding to a bet so let them get a free card to catch something and not give your quads away.As you raised that much PF, there are probably going to be people holding a Q, J or A so let them hit their hand and bet into you, or let them bluff at it on the turn.I think betting here is really bad. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Don't be ridiculous.If you c-betting when you miss with 4 to the flop you're daftYeah, but I think I'd c-bet a XXX flop a lot more often 4-ways than I would any other flop...By that same token though, I'm expecting them to have missed too often, and fold enough for my c-bet to be profitable... hence the opposite of what we want to acheive in betting here... Link to post Share on other sites
danc1984 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I'd probably check. The key to the hand is the number of opponents. If it were HU or 3-handed I'd probably bet it. With 4 opponents your flop check does not look suspicious and there is more of a chance that someone will fill up on the turn or start thinking that their 88 is the nuts. Link to post Share on other sites
AimHigher 0 Posted October 22, 2007 Author Share Posted October 22, 2007 Don't be ridiculous.If you c-betting when you miss with 4 to the flop you're daftGood post.It is a plausible check here and I am representing a hand like AQ. Link to post Share on other sites
AimHigher 0 Posted October 22, 2007 Author Share Posted October 22, 2007 I'd probably check. The key to the hand is the number of opponents. If it were HU or 3-handed I'd probably bet it. With 4 opponents your flop check does not look suspicious and there is more of a chance that someone will fill up on the turn or start thinking that their 88 is the nuts.Yeah, there is a chance that a c-bet may chase out the smaller pairs as well right? or do you think the 33s and the 44s are coming along away? Link to post Share on other sites
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