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[BetItAll33]

simple question for low limit players. You're on the big blind with A8 offsuit. 1 limper to the button who raises, SB foldsyou should???just wondering if there are varying opinions on this, or if it is clear cut to you guys.

[Jubba]

Usually there isn't enough money in the pot to justify me calling and hitting my Ace will probably get me into trouble. More often then not you probably have the best hand, but I usually let it go. I'd rather he took my BB then I get trapped into giving him more money because I hit my pair but he has a better kicker...

[jeff_536]

If it was suited, it might be worth a bet to see a flop (i'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong) but offsuit? No way...easy fold.

[custom36]

jeff_536 said:

If it was suited, it might be worth a bet to see a flop (i'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong)

No, you're right. If it's suited, it may be worth it to see the flop.

[srblan]

If it's been happening a lot, I'd either reraise back, or call and then fire on the flop. Sometimes I take things too personally, though

[srblan]

Suitedness only adds about 3% to the odds of a hand winning, suited or unsuited, I will often defend my blind with an ace.

[wrto4556]

srblan said:

Suitedness only adds about 3% to the odds of a hand winning, suited or unsuited, I will often defend my blind with an ace.

This is right, but you're thinking about it the wrong way. Suitedness adds alot to your hand.Exerpt from SSHE:"30Put another way, if your suitedness increases your chance of winning from, say, 16 percent to 20 percent, this is not a 4 percent increase, but rather a 25 percent increase."Protect when it's suited. Fold when it's not.

[srblan]

wrto4556 said:

srblan said:

Suitedness only adds about 3% to the odds of a hand winning, suited or unsuited, I will often defend my blind with an ace.

This is right, but you're thinking about it the wrong way. Suitedness adds alot to your hand.Exerpt from SSHE:"30Put another way, if your suitedness increases your chance of winning from, say, 16 percent to 20 percent, this is not a 4 percent increase, but rather a 25 percent increase."Protect when it's suited. Fold when it's not.

Doesn't that refer to multiway pots though?

[wrto4556]

No. It's a general, hand value concept.

[jeff_536]

srblan said:

Suitedness only adds about 3% to the odds of a hand winning, suited or unsuited, I will often defend my blind with an ace.

If you're defending a blind with Ax you're gonna be dominated a LOT when an A hits.Even if i get to play A7o from the BB for free and the flop comes AJ8 it's a hand you're gonna be behind on a LOT of the time.In your case you're gonna play A8o out of position for 6SB, two of them yours? I don't see it as a moneymaker.

[srblan]

jeff_536 said:

srblan said:

Suitedness only adds about 3% to the odds of a hand winning, suited or unsuited, I will often defend my blind with an ace.

If you're defending a blind with Ax you're gonna be dominated a LOT when an A hits.Even if i get to play A7o from the BB for free and the flop comes AJ8 it's a hand you're gonna be behind on a LOT of the time.In your case you're gonna play A8o out of position for 6SB, two of them yours? I don't see it as a moneymaker.

Maybe often was an overstatement on my part. If I notice someone raising my blind just because action is folded around to them, I will defend with ace-high sometimes.

[akishore]

no!! even suited, it's an easy fold.SSHE advocates folding A-10 suited if someone raises and it's folded to you in the big blind. why would you call with A-8 suited?A-8 suited will likely be dominated or at least an underdog. heads-up, top pair value is much more important than suitedness, and your 8 sucks.A-J suited might be the minimum call, but i would probably fold that too. A-Q suited, i reraise.this assumes that the raise isn't a steal-raise... it's a normal raise.aseem

[wrto4556]

SSHE says play Axs from BB to a raise.

[akishore]

wrto4556 said:

SSHE says play Axs from BB to a raise.

in a multiway pot.but heads-up, it's a fold.i'm not at home, so i don't have the book, but go to the pre-flop section with the page that shows two big cards -- the ace of hearts and the ten of hearts. read that passage.aseem

[akishore]

oh, i misread the OP. i thought it would be heads-up if you called.there was one limper, so yeah, Axs is a call.aseem