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[akishore]

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: akino1 is SB with A:diamond:, J:club:. 3 folds, akino1 calls.got limp reraised, but i wasn't sure if i should respect it. i've seen fish do it almost out of frustration with low/mid pocket pairs and stuff, especially if they see that you've been raising a lot pre-flop. remember when you first started, pre-flop raises annoyed you?Flop: (7 SB) 8:spade:, 9:spade:, J:diamond: (3 players)akino1 checks, MP2 bets, akino1 calls.checkraise TPTK, but get three-bet. set? overpair? bluff?Turn: (6.50 BB) T:heart: (3 players)akino1 checks, MP2 bets, akino1 calls.i couldn't bring myself to check-fold TPTK heads-up in a big pot. should i have, though? note also the scary boardRiver: (8.50 BB) A:club: (3 players)akino1 checks, MP2 bets, MP2 calls.i catch my good card, and i think it might be good, especially if he has AK, a non-set PP, and especially KK. i checkraise, and he just calls (the board is scary).Final Pot: 12.50 BBwas i overagressive? or was i not aggressive enough?aseem

[holman3rd]

akishore said:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: akino1 is SB with A:diamond:, J:club:.    3 folds, akino1 calls.got limp reraised, but i wasn't sure if i should respect it. i've seen fish do it almost out of frustration with low/mid pocket pairs and stuff, especially if they see that you've been raising a lot pre-flop. remember when you first started, pre-flop raises annoyed you?Flop: (7 SB) 8:spade:, 9:spade:, J:diamond: (3 players)akino1 checks, MP2 bets, akino1 calls.checkraise TPTK, but get three-bet. set? overpair? bluff?Turn: (6.50 BB) T:heart: (3 players)akino1 checks, MP2 bets, akino1 calls.i couldn't bring myself to check-fold TPTK heads-up in a big pot. should i have, though? note also the scary boardRiver: (8.50 BB) A:club: (3 players)akino1 checks, MP2 bets, MP2 calls.i catch my good card, and i think it might be good, especially if he has AK, a non-set PP, and especially KK/QQ. i checkraise, and he just calls (the board is scary).Final Pot: 12.50 BBwas i overagressive? or was i not aggressive enough?aseem

I would have just check-called the river in case he had AA. Looks like KK to me.

[Petoria]

QQ has you beat though. He could have AK or KK. The only hands that he could have when limp-reraising that beats you is QQ and AA. I like the aggression.

[holman3rd]

XXEddie said:

Looks like KK to me....or mayube AA...maybe

Right, i mentioned that, but discounted it after villian just called the river. 20/20 hindsight i guess.

[DCWildcat]

I think y'all are giving way too much credit. Limp raising reeks of fish 99% of the time.That said, I think that opens up enough opportunities for you to check/call the river. If it's the straight you're scared of, that A doesn't do you a bit of good, so I wouldn't raise with it.

[akishore]

well, right after the hand, i was sickened by my play.on the turn, i should have most definitely check-folded it.even if i didn't give him respect for MUCH, anything he would limp-reraise with has me beat right there.the board on the turn was 8-9-10-J. that's a helluva scary board to bluff into.if he reraised me pre-flop with a mid pair (7-7 up to 9-9), it had me beat.if he reraised me pre-flop with a high pair (10-10 through A-A), it had me beat.if he reraised me pre-flop with paint (K-Q, J-10, Q-10, A-Q, etc.), it probably had me beat (only a few exceptions like K-J, A-K, etc.).i think i HAD to check-fold the turn, but i was too stubborn since the pot was fairly big.anyway, he only called on the end because the board was scary. he had A-A.aseem

[TJ_Eckleburg]

I hate it when people limp-reraise me. Of course, the first thing you have to think is AA/KK. Whenever it happens, I just decide to stop trying to read stuff into it and let the hand play itself, because people bet/raise very strange things. Especially on Partypoker.Highly coordinated board, but you still have top-two. Even if he's represented any one of a lot of hands that have you beat. I still don't think we're brilliant enough to make that kind of laydown in that size of a pot though. If you're beat, shrug and pay it off, because you did have top two.

[Absolute]

This is an interesting hand, I would like to see stats on the villian here.After he limped it got folded accross the board to your raise, so he probably had a hand he felt comfortable getting heads up with.Recently I was talking with someone about playing AJ against a PF raiser.he suggested that c-c/c-c/b-f is usually a good line for getting the most out of a hand like KK and losing the least to a hand like AA, AK, etc.how do you like that here?

[wrto4556]

Absolute said:

This is an interesting hand, I would like to see stats on the villian here.After he limped it got folded accross the board to your raise, so he probably had a hand he felt comfortable getting heads up with.Recently I was talking with someone about playing AJ against a PF raiser.he suggested that c-c/c-c/b-f is usually a good line for getting the most out of a hand like KK and losing the least to a hand like AA, AK, etc.how do you like that here?

We're in position, here.

[Absolute]

wrto4556 said:

Absolute said:

This is an interesting hand, I would like to see stats on the villian here.After he limped it got folded accross the board to your raise, so he probably had a hand he felt comfortable getting heads up with.Recently I was talking with someone about playing AJ against a PF raiser.he suggested that c-c/c-c/b-f is usually a good line for getting the most out of a hand like KK and losing the least to a hand like AA, AK, etc.how do you like that here?

We're in position, here.

im thinking that raising the river is usually bad.thoughts?

[wrto4556]

Im thinking the same thing. I call the turn, fold the river UI. Call the river if improved.

[RonBurgundy]

were you in the SB this hand?i bet that flop with AJ, too many draws out there to possibly give a free card. bet/fold the turn with the scary board out there, then check/call the river with a compromised 2 pair.flop- bet-callturn- bet-foldriver- check/calllet me know if something's wrong with this.

[Nutcracker]

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The only hands that he could have when limp-reraising that beats you is QQ and AA

Not even close. I've seen all sorts of trash limp-raised on party. I think the lowest hand was J8s. It's like some sort of fish epidemic and while I was first afraid of the AA/KK everytime I got reraised from a limper, now I just play my cards like any other hand, assuming they could have any 2 cards. Oddly though, in about 8k hands on Stars, I've seen about half as many limp raises as I saw in 2k hands on Party.

[jayboogie]

Id have bet the flop, get raised, call. Check-call the turn. Bet the river, call if raised.If you pair your aces, the likelihood your opponent has Aces in the hole are real slim for the most part.

[akishore]

jayboogie said:

Id have bet the flop, get raised, call. Check-call the turn. Bet the river, call if raised.If you pair your aces, the likelihood your opponent has Aces in the hole are real slim for the most part.

bet the river?the only real limp-reraise type hand i can beat at the river is KK and AK. AA beats me, QQ beats me, JJ beats me, TT beats me, 99 beats me, etc. even non-pair hands like AQ, KQ, QJ, etc. beat me.i guess the real question is--do i respect the limp-reraise or not?aseem

[jayboogie]

sorry about that, totally disregarded the board there. Should have paid some attention there. I saw that you check-raised the river, so assumed you thought you were good there. I think the river bet is fine though. I'm still not sure why you check-raised the river there. But anyways I think it depends on your read of your opponent, usually they hold Aces or Kings when they do this, but I like to do it with a pocket pair 8's and up sometimes. Assuming this is a low limit game, typically they're gonna have Aces or Kings. But regardless, I think you should bet out here on the river, because KK is the likely hand I'd put him on when that Ace comes on the river. Top 2 pair is enough to call 2 bets on the river with. The only hand that will raise you in this spot is QQ and every other hand that has you beat is going to bet anyways, so you might as well bet if your going to call the river bet. That's the river play though.I don't know though, this is low limit, so I really don't know how these people play, I definitely wouldn't fold TPTK on the flop against a limp re-raise in a higher limit game. I'd have probably bet the turn and the river with that board, because someone without a queen is not raising me here and if they do, I can lay the hand down if I think it's a legit raise.