Middle Set, Raised Preflop

[bdc30 0]

Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.256 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $16.85UTG+1: $15.70CO: $78.15Button: $25SB: $13.20Hero: $24.90Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with Q 7 Q 9 2 folds, CO raises to $0.85, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.Flop: 8 Q A ($3.4, 4 players)SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $2.55, SB calls, Hero raises to $13.6, CO folds, Button raises all-in $24.15, SB folds, Hero calls all-in $10.45.Uncalled bets: $0.1 returned to Button.Yay/Nay?

[simo_8ball 1]

You aren't getting away if he has AAxx.Nice hand.

[bdc30 0]

I figured button would have 3-bet with AAxx. CO check folded, so he obv didn't have ace(s) either.

[simo_8ball 1]

I figured button would have 3-bet with AAxx. CO check folded, so he obv didn't have ace(s) either.

Make CO the villain and I still stack off though.

[Metternich 0]

This is a question I had a little while ago, is set over set still an excuse in PLO? I lost some money a while ago with a set of queens under a set of kings on a K-Q-6 flop with 2 spades. I raised preflop and was just flat called, so I shipped it in. Can you ever really get away from a set in PLO without a strong reason?

[simo_8ball 1]

You can fold bottom set to heavy action, but usually with less than 100bb stacks you are still shipping it in with a set most of the time.

[triplem93 0]

I think most of the time you have the best hand. Stick it in.

[SpleenLSD 0]

Why such a huge overbet on the flop? Now when anyone shoves you can't get away 'cause its just $10 more in to a $45 pot. Board is already drawy with the 2 diamonds, so you're either way behind (AAxx) or somewhat ahead against a decent range of hands (KJxx with 2d, K10xx with 2d, various 2 pairs, etc.). I think its OK to grip it 'n rip it with second set with this kind of PF action, but the 2x+ flop overbet looks enough like a steal to invite drawing hands that will look you up, or just plain chase away anyone you could play for value.

[simo_8ball 1]

Why such a huge overbet

It's a pot sized bet. Overbetting in PLO is impossible by definition.We want to raise big because we are out of position, and we want to charge draws the maximum possible to beat us.

[kingcon31 0]

If the villain has aces he has aces. With only 10 dollars left to call you probably have to call. I think theres a good enough chance that your ahead or that the villain is drawing that it's correct to call here.

[BudBundy 0]

This is a question I had a little while ago, is set over set still an excuse in PLO? I lost some money a while ago with a set of queens under a set of kings on a K-Q-6 flop with 2 spades. I raised preflop and was just flat called, so I shipped it in. Can you ever really get away from a set in PLO without a strong reason?

Yes you can. You fold bottom set very often. Folding middle set depends on the opponent and the flop. If he likes to play aggressively with draws and two pairs then you can go broke against him with middle set. If the flop is Q72r and you have a set of 7s , you should just muck them against excessive heat. If you have a set of 8s on 984 flop with two spades , there is a good chance the guy who repots you has a combo draw. You are pretty much flipping against a combo draw but it is inevitable in omaha.

[SpleenLSD 0]

It's a pot sized bet. Overbetting in PLO is impossible by definition.

Ooops, I mis-read the flop line & betting. I thought something was off there. My bad; fine as played.

[bdc30 0]

If the villain has aces he has aces. With only 10 dollars left to call you probably have to call. I think theres a good enough chance that your ahead or that the villain is drawing that it's correct to call here.

When I raise the flop, the call of the shove is automatic. I think you're missing the general idea of the question here.

[kingcon31 0]

My fault bdc, re-reading your post I would think that the button would raise the C/O if he had AAxx. AAxx in a multi pot omaha hand doesnt fair very well. I would think he would want to raise there to isolate or take the pot down pf. So no I would not put the button on AAxx. I would more so think he would have something like a flush and straight draw or a pair with a flush draw.

[antistuff 0]

Yes you can. You fold bottom set very often. Folding middle set depends on the opponent and the flop. If he likes to play aggressively with draws and two pairs then you can go broke against him with middle set. If the flop is Q72r and you have a set of 7s , you should just muck them against excessive heat. If you have a set of 8s on 984 flop with two spades , there is a good chance the guy who repots you has a combo draw. You are pretty much flipping against a combo draw but it is inevitable in omaha.

if his range on a 984 flop with two spades is either 99 or a combo draw that you are flipping against shouldn't you fold?