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[gary21212121]

here are a few spots i had 10s today... plz comment on all spots and what differentiates each of them

1st one-- Here we are sitting 5 of 5 w an M of > 6 but facing two shoves in front of use from villians w M of >10

Full Tilt Poker Game #3854137071: $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) (29343800), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:49:55 ET - 2007/10/14
Seat 1: Gary212121 (1,195)
Seat 4: Steverman (6,225)
Seat 7: 1DON1 (2,590)
Seat 8: Fortsberg (1,810)
Seat 9: derpase (1,680)
Steverman posts the small blind of 60
1DON1 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gary212121 [Td Ts]
Fortsberg raises to 1,810, and is all in
derpase calls 1,680, and is all in
Gary212121 has 15 seconds left to act
Gary212121


2nd hand-- This is one of the first few hands of the SNG, villian is unknown and open shoves... seems easy fold for SNG right?

Full Tilt Poker Game #3854891987: $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) (29350133), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:13:32 ET - 2007/10/14
Seat 1: bkaminsk (1,485)
Seat 2: MisterRP (1,350)
Seat 3: Gary212121 (1,455)
Seat 4: hudapap (1,455)
Seat 5: WOW AKQJ10 (1,605)
Seat 6: Szcz (1,410)
Seat 7: MuckRakerMVZ (1,545)
Seat 8: Prof Rider (1,500)
Seat 9: Aleatoris (1,695)
WOW AKQJ10 posts the small blind of 20
Szcz posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gary212121 [Ts Th]
MuckRakerMVZ folds
Prof Rider raises to 1,500, and is all in
Aleatoris folds
bkaminsk folds
MisterRP folds
Gary212121 has 15 seconds left to act
Gary212121 folds


3rd hand-- this is a funny table... the first three hands there has been raise then shove preflop. This spot the villian limps shoves over a minraise and a call. Ill add my thoughts after a few responces

Full Tilt Poker Game #3863245133: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (29410890), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:23:43 ET - 2007/10/15
Seat 1: TimboKing (1,440)
Seat 2: Philmore Kant (1,425)
Seat 3: Gary212121 (1,380)
Seat 4: LussierA (1,785)
Seat 5: Jaguarboy (1,470)
Seat 6: toddyd31 (1,500)
Seat 7: Tuan_505 (1,500)
Seat 8: hassia (1,560)
Seat 9: virus83 (1,440)
Gary212121 posts the small blind of 15
LussierA posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gary212121 [Th Ts]
Jaguarboy folds
toddyd31 folds
Tuan_505 calls 30
hassia raises to 60
virus83 folds
TimboKing folds
Philmore Kant folds
Gary212121 calls 45
LussierA folds
Tuan_505 has 15 seconds left to act
Tuan_505 raises to 1,500, and is all in
hassia folds
Gary212121 calls 1,320, and is all in


Any responces are appreciated, anything is welcome. Ill add my opinions after a few people.

[Yahkin]

Convert

Fold
Fold
Fold

[gary21212121]

Convert

Fold
Fold
Fold

no, im lazy.. plus these hands are all preflop decisions so converting wont help much

ok
ok
hmm...what range do you think he his shoving?

[jmbreslin]

Hand 3: Strange that he hesitated before pushing, which tells me he's not holding AA/KK. Could be something like 99 or JJ, or perhaps even something like AK or AQs.

[gary21212121]

Hand 3: Strange that he hesitated before pushing, which tells me he's not holding AA/KK. Could be something like 99 or JJ, or perhaps even something like AK or AQs.

is that all the hands u think he plays like this...

do this if you would, think of all 216 possible hands.... and pick out all that he may play like this... then after we have what we think is close to his range we can make the best decision

[Yahkin]

I can't see any hand that would give you value by limp reraising all-in this early in a tourney.

There are two possibilities I can fathom:

1) He's a donk and is doing this with a pretty wide range of hands hoping to get lucky and double early. (I didn't notice it was a turbo the first time I read it...perhaps a converted hand would have revealed that...so this possibility becomes more likely.)

2) He limped with a monster and thinks the minraiser is a donk and will call his push with a marginal holding.

Either way we are not in great shape as even KJ is a coinflip against a pair of tens. This early I want to set mine with them.

[rog]

Fold - You're behind
Fold - Not worth the risk to find out
Fold - Not worth the risk to find out

[Sheiky]

Hand 3: Strange that he hesitated before pushing, which tells me he's not holding AA/KK. Could be something like 99 or JJ, or perhaps even something like AK or AQs.

He could just have bad internet no?

[copernicus]

He could just have bad internet no?

Or gotten an IM from his GF. Online betting delays that don't go into the time bank are meaningless.

[gary21212121]

I can't see any hand that would give you value by limp reraising all-in this early in a tourney.

There are two possibilities I can fathom:

1) He's a donk and is doing this with a pretty wide range of hands hoping to get lucky and double early. (I didn't notice it was a turbo the first time I read it...perhaps a converted hand would have revealed that...so this possibility becomes more likely.)

2) He limped with a monster and thinks the minraiser is a donk and will call his push with a marginal holding.

Either way we are not in great shape as even KJ is a coinflip against a pair of tens. This early I want to set mine with them.

I agree w/ 1

As far as #2 goes, the play just seems to donkish to be a well played over pair... i mean, if he has AA KK QQ wouldnt he raise pre??? if he is limping for deception and planning on raising, would he make a normal raise to something like 250/300 so he can get some kind of action from weaker hands??? I dunno, the play just seems so donkish that i see him having weaker hands here a lot more then a strong hand... I very seldom see this play made and the villian show aces or kings...

does anyone think he does this with hands like 44-99???

[jmbreslin]

Or gotten an IM from his GF. Online betting delays that don't go into the time bank are meaningless.

Good points, although a delay that goes into the bank I'd be more likely to credit to a bad connection than a delay that doesn't. But you're right, there are lots of reasons for delays that have nothing to do with a player's depth of thought. I caused several delays myself tonight when I had to tuck my 5-year old back into bed for the hundredth time...

[AKProdigy]

Good points, although a delay that goes into the bank I'd be more likely to credit to a bad connection than a delay that doesn't. But you're right, there are lots of reasons for delays that have nothing to do with a player's depth of thought. I caused several delays myself tonight when I had to tuck my 5-year old back into bed for the hundredth time...

Kind of off topic, but I tend to delay calls/raises with AA/KK at times just to encourage callers who think I'm weak since I took a bit of time. It's a wonder how much this works.

[gary21212121]

Kind of off topic, but I tend to delay calls/raises with AA/KK at times just to encourage callers who think I'm weak since I took a bit of time. It's a wonder how much this works.

but do you normally open limp them early in SNGs

[jmbreslin]

but do you normally open limp them early in SNGs

No, but this happens a lot in micro SnGs. $6.50 is probably a different story, though.