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[Loismustdie]

PMJackson21, on Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 2:58 PM, said:

For some, the '+ev" situation is not worth sacrificing their ethics. However, poker is not the most 'ethical' game to begin with obviously. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I obviously have friends who fall on both sides. Personally, I feel the right thing to do is no longer play at AP, at least until they come forward with a more honest statement regarding what happened, and they make some sort of reparation to the players that were fleeced out of their money. I don't begrudge anyone for doing otherwise though.Jeffbeesdat made a post on p5s arguing your points here, and he is someone I respect a great deal in the online poker world. I might not agree, but I'm not foolish enough to think my feelings apply to others.I never played on Absolute much anyway.

The problem,and one of the reasons I haven't posted a whole lot directly about this issue, is most of the posters here would have gladly taken advantage of this situation if they could have. I don't mean that as an indictment on them as people, we love a game where it pays to find an edge, whatever that edge may be, and this game we love, the online version, is unregulated. Even if you get caught, you just get caught- there are no laws. The scary thing is, and something I don't like to think about, if you are the person that gets caught in this wild wild west of poker, and you cost AP x amount of dollars, what happens to you? Are you found in a back alley somewhere, and somehow we find out about it, and even though AP never admits what happened we all "know" that they took care of business? Historically, gambling is dangerous and it is mob backed-now, I am not saying that it most definitely is mob backed but it very easily could be.

[DrawingDeadInDM]

Loismustdie, on Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 3:28 PM, said:

You're not above jerkin me gerkin, but lord knows I am not above being jerked, so I will happily go find this thread. Now, if you are jerkin, know that I enjoyed every moment. Edit: Sorry I doubted you. Haven't read then whole thing yet, but I will. It shows promise- like the 5th post starts with, "One thing about girls from Canada, they are all sluts"..and, my curiosity is officially piqued.

Hate to say I told you so, all right! It's actually a pretty dull read, now that I flip through it..she doesn't post anywhere in it as a I recall and it's just pretty much a brief recap of how it went down.

[cwik]

Alright, some pretty crazy shit.I was just talking to a friend of mine who plays heavily at Absolute Poker (he would rather be left nameless) about the recent POTRIPPER scandal. He does not post/read any internet forums, and was unaware of the situation. After linking him to a couple of the summaries, he had some very interesting things to add. When I mentioned that people had linked Scott Tom, the former CEO, to the case, he immediately recognized the name, and said he knew the guy. He had sat at a table roughly 5-6 months ago, where a guy claimed to be Scott Tom, and wanted him to test the new AP 8.0 software. This guy seemed to know a lot about him (email, location, first name, deposit history), and even put $300 in my friends account to prove he was from AP (by credit adjustment, not deposit/transfer). He also emailed him the new software from this email address: stom@fiducix.com. Just to make sure my friend contacted AP support to see if this guy was legit. The email re received back might break this case wide open:Thank you for contacting us.We contacted our promotions department and they informed us that steamroller belongs to the Absolute Poker Staff. For this reason, what he offered you is in legit.Good luck at our tables.Thanks for playing at Absolute Poker! If there is anything else we can help you with, please let us know. We are here for you!Sincerely,AaronTeam Absolute ~ Customer Support"To Continue to be the Best and Most Trusted"Support@AbsolutePoker.ComWe’re Here To Stay! All Players Welcome!Come and join the action this weekend with our 150k guaranteed on Saturday and 60k on Sunday! With more and bigger guaranteedtournaments, Absolute Poker is your place to play. See you at the tables whenever, wherever!This email directly links the Steamroller account directly to AP and Scott Tom. It leaves little question that the all the accounts that had been suspected to cheat in the cash games are connected. But does not answer how AP could have investigated these accounts and found nothing suspicious.

[cubsfan44]

cwik, on Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 5:18 PM, said:

Alright, some pretty crazy shit.I was just talking to a friend of mine who plays heavily at Absolute Poker (he would rather be left nameless) about the recent POTRIPPER scandal. He does not post/read any internet forums, and was unaware of the situation. After linking him to a couple of the summaries, he had some very interesting things to add. When I mentioned that people had linked Scott Tom, the former CEO, to the case, he immediately recognized the name, and said he knew the guy. He had sat at a table roughly 5-6 months ago, where a guy claimed to be Scott Tom, and wanted him to test the new AP 8.0 software. This guy seemed to know a lot about him (email, location, first name, deposit history), and even put $300 in my friends account to prove he was from AP (by credit adjustment, not deposit/transfer). He also emailed him the new software from this email address: stom@fiducix.com. Just to make sure my friend contacted AP support to see if this guy was legit. The email re received back might break this case wide open:Thank you for contacting us.We contacted our promotions department and they informed us that steamroller belongs to the Absolute Poker Staff. For this reason, what he offered you is in legit.Good luck at our tables.Thanks for playing at Absolute Poker! If there is anything else we can help you with, please let us know. We are here for you!Sincerely,AaronTeam Absolute ~ Customer Support"To Continue to be the Best and Most Trusted"Support@AbsolutePoker.ComWe’re Here To Stay! All Players Welcome!Come and join the action this weekend with our 150k guaranteed on Saturday and 60k on Sunday! With more and bigger guaranteedtournaments, Absolute Poker is your place to play. See you at the tables whenever, wherever!This email directly links the Steamroller account directly to AP and Scott Tom. It leaves little question that the all the accounts that had been suspected to cheat in the cash games are connected. But does not answer how AP could have investigated these accounts and found nothing suspicious.

Is this cross posted or is this info actually from you cwik?

[PMJackson21]

cwik, on Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 6:18 PM, said:

This email directly links the Steamroller account directly to AP and Scott Tom. It leaves little question that the all the accounts that had been suspected to cheat in the cash games are connected. But does not answer how AP could have investigated these accounts and found nothing suspicious.

You should post this on p5s and 2+2.

[chgocubs99]

I believe you, but how can anyone be sure that e mail had "steamroller" in there originally and it wasn't just pasted in there?

[cubsfan44]

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[SpiderGuard]

cubsfan44, on Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 6:46 PM, said:

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Posting since 6:41 pm....

[cwik]

cubsfan44, on Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 6:27 PM, said:

Is this cross posted or is this info actually from you cwik?

From me, feel free to cross post this. This is 100% accurate.

[Fade2241]

cwik, on Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 5:55 PM, said:

From me, feel free to cross post this. This is 100% accurate.

You should prob go and post this dude, that's huge.

[Kathy Griffin]

cubsfan44, on Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 6:46 PM, said:

90 User(s) are reading this topic (78 Guests and 1 Anonymous Users)11 Members: cubsfan44, Chicago99, Alex916F, Pot Odds RAC, DoinSublime, Whalers2005, uncooper, JoeyFinngars, Clay Aiken, Loismustdie, Waffles2003Anticipation

I just had to come in here and say this- Clay Aiken is sooo gay. And, watch my show on Bravo. This season, there may be full frontal.

[chgocubs99]

cwik, on Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 8:55 PM, said:

From me, feel free to cross post this. This is 100% accurate.

How can anyone know, though?

[cubsfan44]

Kathy Griffin, on Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 6:05 PM, said:

I just had to come in here and say this- Clay Aiken is sooo gay. And, watch my show on Bravo. This season, there may be full frontal.

So we'll finally be able to see your penis?

[Fade2241]

chgocubs99, on Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 6:06 PM, said:

How can anyone know, though?

either link this thread in a new P5's thread, or have cwik go and post it directly there.

[chgocubs99]

Fade2241, on Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 9:10 PM, said:

either link this thread in a new P5's thread, or have cwik go and post it directly there.

No, I mean that the e mail is accurate and not tampered with.

[Fade2241]

chgocubs99, on Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 6:13 PM, said:

No, I mean that the e mail is accurate and not tampered with.

I'm sure it is. The lingo is a bit unprofessional but whatever.

[Fade2241]

I seriously think the P5's guys should see that, that's what i'm talking about..

[chgocubs99]

Fade2241, on Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 9:16 PM, said:

I'm sure it is. The lingo is a bit unprofessional but whatever.

The only word that would need to be tampered is "steamroller".

[vbnautilus]

chgocubs99, on Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 7:13 PM, said:

No, I mean that the e mail is accurate and not tampered with.

Would be great to see a screenshot of the email complete with headers to verify.

[fighter]

cwik, on Friday, October 19th, 2007, 11:55 AM, said:

From me, feel free to cross post this. This is 100% accurate.

Can we get this in screen shot or something of the sorts. It just seems too perfect.