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[wrto4556]

MP1 is very LAG. 84/43/3.89/200UTG+1 is half competent 20/4/1.3/125Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Superman is MP3 with 9:club:, 9:spade:. 1 fold, Superman calls, UTG+1 calls.Flop: (13.50 SB) A:heart:, Q:club:, Q:diamond: (3 players)UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Superman...?

[custom36]

...raises because he's superman. Wrto, however, folds.

[KDawgCometh]

[quote=wrto4556]MP1 is very LAG. 84/43/3.89/200UTG+1 is half competent 20/4/1.3/125Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) [url="http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi"]converter[/url]Preflop: Superman is MP3 with 9:club:, 9:spade:. 1 fold, Superman calls, UTG+1 calls.Flop: (13.50 SB) A:heart:, Q:club:, Q:diamond: (3 players)UTG+1 checks, MP1 betsbarfs, folds and takes a ciggarette out of anger, or hate fu[/b]cks his boy's slu[b]tty girl( man, I am loopy tonight)

[RISEorFall]

uses his x-ray vision to see his opponent's hole cards and the turn and river cards...not that superman was a cheater, just uses his powers to his advantage. I don't remember there being a rule about no x-ray vision.

[wrto4556]

This is probably all the replies I will get this late. So I guess I can respond.Why is everyone advocating me fold 99 in a 13sb pot against a maniac?

[allinbluff35]

no clue I'm LHE retarded

[custom36]

wrto4556 said:

Why is everyone advocating me fold 99 in a 13sb pot against a maniac?

I assumed he was LAG, not a maniac. A lag will bet/raise with a weak ace, which is what I believe he has here.

[KDawgCometh]

wrto4556 said:

This is probably all the replies I will get this late. So I guess I can respond.Why is everyone advocating me fold 99 in a 13sb pot against a maniac?

wvhat can you beat here. THen again, I'd probably raise and and fold on teh turn UI if he threebets me here

[RISEorFall]

Depends on how crazy this guy is. and how crazy the other guy is. There's 13 sb is what 6.5 big bets? If he's rasing and reraising every hand with anything, I might call him down. If UTG+1 comes along for the ride though you could be in trouble. might cost you a small bet and 2 more big bets to win about a 11 big bet pot. If UTG check/raises you could get in the middle of a pissing war. I don't know, even against a maniac this is an iffy call I think. You could I guess raise him, while it's on the cheaper street. it might get UTG out of the way, but if he's a true maniac you'll get 3-bet. I think you should find a better spot where you can be more sure you're ahead here.

[wrto4556]

My apolgies. He was a maniac. I say no more. Discuss.Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP2 with 2:club:, 2:spade:. 2 folds, BB checks.Flop: (4.50 SB) 7:heart:, T:spade:, 2:heart: (4 players)BB checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero calls.Turn: (5.25 BB) 2:diamond: (2 players)UTG+2 bets, UTG+2 calls.River: (13.25 BB) 5:diamond: (2 players)UTG+2 bets, UTG+2 calls.Final Pot: 21.21 BBResults in white below: UTG+2 has 8d 7s (two pair, sevens and twos). Hero has 2c 2s (four of a kind, twos). Outcome: Hero wins 21.25 BB.

[allinbluff35]

yes but anyclown can get a hand every now and then

[RISEorFall]

Having seen this hand I might call down. But it's not a big pot and a case could be made for folding and waiting for a better spot. But even if you are behind you have outs, and if you get a 9 you have tons of implied odds with this guy, I'd probably call down.

[RISEorFall]

allinbluff35 said:

yes but anyclown can get a hand every now and then

yeah but you have to take those chances because everypot that he doesnt have a decent hand you're going to win a lot from him. In every hand there is a huge range of hands you could be up against, and only a fraction of those are beating you. Take the occasional hit, you'll get paid off huge in the long run.

[allinbluff35]

RISEorFall said:

allinbluff35 said:

yes but anyclown can get a hand every now and then

yeah but you have to take those chances because everypot that he doesnt have a decent hand you're going to win a lot from him. In every hand there is a huge range of hands you could be up against, and only a fraction of those are beating you. Take the occasional hit, you'll get paid off huge in the long run.

but this hand there is the maniac and another person

[RISEorFall]

allinbluff35 said:

but this hand there is the maniac and another person

...who checked the flop. If he hit he midas well bet out because he's going to get the action anyway. Which leaves you with options. If you raise here, he probably folds, leaving you heads up with the maniac. If you call, he may call the one bet from the maniac and if he's not beating you now, gets a cheap card. But he could still be dangerous going for a check/raise, or a turn check/raise, however I don't see that play coming much after a capped pre-flop.

[DKE_XP120]

[quote=wrto4556]MP1 is very LAG. 84/43/3.89/200UTG+1 is half competent 20/4/1.3/125Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) [url="http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi"]converter[/url]Preflop: Superman is MP3 with 9:club:, 9:spade:. 1 fold, Superman calls, UTG+1 calls.Flop: (13.50 SB) A:heart:, Q:club:, Q:diamond: (3 players)UTG+1 checks, MP1 betsjust my opinion looking at the 84/43/3.89Raise to see what UTG is going too do, being semi-competent. If UTG folds, you can take it from there.

[monoatomic]

If it was you and the maniac alone I would say 3bet. With the other guy in the hand calling 3 cold preflop I would be more worried about him getting cute with KQ AQ AK AA KK QQ. If he knows it's going to be raised back to him and all he has to do is sit back and watch you two go at it, I certainly would check that flop as well. Let you two do all the work for him while he cackles maniacally about all the fish on PP.

[RISEorFall]

He didn't call 3 cold though. UTG limped in, then called 2 more, then called one more. This makes me think Axs or small pockets. Raising the flop here probably makes both of those fold.

[wrto4556]

RISEorFall said:

He didn't call 3 cold though. UTG limped in, then called 2 more, then called one more. This makes me think Axs or small pockets. Raising the flop here probably makes both of those fold.

I agree with most everything you have said.We should raise this flop and try to drive out UTG to get the maniac heads up.

[RISEorFall]

How'd the hand play out anyway? or did it not play out...I've been dead on with most of my reads today so I'm kinda interested. and what do you not agree with? The no x-ray vision in poker rule?!?!? i swear i've never heard that rule before...