Ricer98 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($7.15)SB ($4.73)BB ($10.03)UTG ($13.68)Hero ($26.31)CO ($8.53)Preflop: Hero is MP with 3, 3. UTG calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold, Button calls $0.10, SB raises to $0.2, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10.Flop: ($0.90) 9, 3, Q(4 players)SB bets $0.1, UTG raises to $1.2, Hero raises to $4, Button folds, SB folds, UTG calls $2.80.Turn: ($9) Q(2 players)UTG bets $2.5, Hero?Villian's stats are VP$IP - 52%, PFR - 5%, Flop AF - .64, Turn AF - .67 over 200 hands. He had been playing very passive the whole time. I really don't think hes raising the flop with just a Q, and Q9 is easily in the range of someone with a VP$IP that high. I really want to lay this down but so little is beating me. Its a sick read / laydown but I really think someone this passive shows up with Q9 more than anything else here. Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
Citizen Erased 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 VPIP 52% is high based on my experience.I'd personally put in a small raise to try and commit villain. If we raise to say, 5.5/ 6, we don't really scare villain away. Instead, a call will leave him with 6-7, and a ~18 pot, so he's bound to commit.At the lower stakes, too, I can't really see villain getting away from Qx.Yeah, maybe we're beaten, but you would need a very good read to lay this down. I go all in most times in this situation. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Instashove. Link to post Share on other sites
SCS 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 This AQ, KQ, QJ. QT more often than Q9. I get it all in. Link to post Share on other sites
danc1984 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Raise, get it in. If you are beat oh well. Getting away from this hand is definately ----EV. Link to post Share on other sites
dgostate8 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Alll eeeeen! Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Do whatever it takes to get all-in (try to get half his remaining stack in on the turn, and the rest gets in easy). Link to post Share on other sites
Ricer98 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 Yeah, maybe we're beaten, but you would need a very good read to lay this down.I know I need a good read and I really felt I had it this time. I am so good at doing the "wow he has to have to me beat, okay I call, raise, ect." I'm trying to really start following my reads because more often than not they are right. This guy had been at the table for 2 hours, in that time he played 1 big pot, AA vs KK all in preflop. Another time he raised preflop with AA, the flop came very coordinated, he check called down very weak bets. I had not seen him show up with less than 2 pair after putting a raise in after the flop. When he makes a pot sized raise on the flop I rule out any one pair hands and draws. I also rule out an overpair based on previous hands, that leaves his range as QQ, 99, and Q9. Knowing he limps into a lot of pots with weakish hands I put the emphasis on Q9. After the donk lead on the turn I really believed it was Q9 based on his play.With all this information are people still trying to get all their chips in the pot? I had the read, I put him on one of the three hands that beats me the second he lead into me on the turn. So, I thought and thought and then just raised him all in. The results of this, being insta-called and shown Q9. I made the correct read and just didn't follow through. And for the record, believe me this wasn't a case of blindly getting all my chips in the middle, seeing I was beat, then trying to figure out how I could have folded after the fact. Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I know I need a good read and I really felt I had it this time. I am so good at doing the "wow he has to have to me beat, okay I call, raise, ect." I'm trying to really start following my reads because more often than not they are right. This guy had been at the table for 2 hours, in that time he played 1 big pot, AA vs KK all in preflop. Another time he raised preflop with AA, the flop came very coordinated, he check called down very weak bets. I had not seen him show up with less than 2 pair after putting a raise in after the flop. When he makes a pot sized raise on the flop I rule out any one pair hands and draws. I also rule out an overpair based on previous hands, that leaves his range as QQ, 99, and Q9. Knowing he limps into a lot of pots with weakish hands I put the emphasis on Q9. After the donk lead on the turn I really believed it was Q9 based on his play.With all this information are people still trying to get all their chips in the pot? I had the read, I put him on one of the three hands that beats me the second he lead into me on the turn. So, I thought and thought and then just raised him all in. The results of this, being insta-called and shown Q9. I made the correct read and just didn't follow through. And for the record, believe me this wasn't a case of blindly getting all my chips in the middle, seeing I was beat, then trying to figure out how I could have folded after the fact.There's really no discussion to be had about this hand then. With the HH you've shown and info in the OP, it's an easy raise-call all in / shove.If you say you had a read, go with it. I'm not sure what kind of answers you are looking for. Link to post Share on other sites
Ricer98 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 There's really no discussion to be had about this hand then. With the HH you've shown and info in the OP, it's an easy raise-call all in / shove.If you say you had a read, go with it. I'm not sure what kind of answers you are looking for.I guess what I'm wondering is if anyone else comes to the same conclusion I did with this information and even thinks about laying this down. Obviously from the responses that answer is no. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I guess what I'm wondering is if anyone else comes to the same conclusion I did with this information and even thinks about laying this down. Obviously from the responses that answer is no. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Overshove Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Do whatever it takes to get all-in (try to get half his remaining stack in on the turn, and the rest gets in easy).great simple advice Link to post Share on other sites
danc1984 0 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I guess what I'm wondering is if anyone else comes to the same conclusion I did with this information and even thinks about laying this down. Obviously from the responses that answer is no.Honestly I never lay this down but if you believe that your read on him being exceptionally passive is accurate then i dunno, maybe. The problem is how can you be sure he doesn't have a very strong Q here? Link to post Share on other sites
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