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[akishore]

i just deposited into party poker, and holy god, these games are soft as none other. it's insanely amazing. i'm having the time of my life, but i'm sure i'll suffer some bad losing streaks at some point as well.i deposited $500 for the full 30% ($150) bonus, but withdrew $200 of it so that i can just play the minimum stakes of .50/1 for a while. my name is akino1 on there right now if anyone of you are interested (this is a temporary account since i have no rakeback--i'll be playing mainly on empire/eurobet in the future).Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converterPreflop: DamnPartyPokerIsSoft is Button with Q:club:, 8:club:. UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, DamnPartyPokerIsSoft calls.i'm pretty sure Q8s is an okay call on the button with four limpers before me.Flop: (13 SB) T:club:, J:club:, 4:heart: (6 players)SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, DamnPartyPokerIsSoft calls, SB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.was raising here correct? i just figured that since i had an overcard and a gutshot to go with the flush draw, it would be good to clean up overcard outs as well as gutshot outs (if i can make another Q8 or 87 fold, it's good for me). was this wrong? (should i go for overcalls here?)Turn: (14 BB) K:club: (5 players)SB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, DamnPartyPokerIsSoft calls, SB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.correct to go for overcalls?River: (19 BB) J:heart: (5 players)SB checks, MP1 bets, DamnPartyPokerIsSoft calls, SB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.i'm sure i'm beat here since my original read on the pre-flop three-bettor was a set, so should i be folding to two cold?? i figured it's a big pot, it's worth calling even two on the offchance that my flush is good and that the raiser is overplaying JTo or a straight.Final Pot: 29 BBaseem

[KDawgCometh]

akishore said:

i just deposited into party poker, and holy god, these games are soft as none other. it's insanely amazing. i'm having the time of my life, but i'm sure i'll suffer some bad losing streaks at some point as well.i deposited $500 for the full 30% ($150) bonus, but withdrew $200 of it so that i can just play the minimum stakes of .50/1 for a while. my name is akino1 on there right now if anyone of you are interested (this is a temporary account since i have no rakeback--i'll be playing mainly on empire/eurobet in the future).Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converterPreflop: DamnPartyPokerIsSoft is Button with Q:club:, 8:club:.    UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, DamnPartyPokerIsSoft calls.i'm pretty sure Q8s is an okay call on the button with four limpers before me.Flop: (13 SB) T:club:, J:club:, 4:heart: (6 players)SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, DamnPartyPokerIsSoft calls, SB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.was raising here correct? i just figured that since i had an overcard and a gutshot to go with the flush draw, it would be good to clean up overcard outs as well as gutshot outs (if i can make another Q8 or 87 fold, it's good for me). was this wrong? (should i go for overcalls here?)yes it was. I'd even cap it here. You have 12 outs. Many will call the cap since they've already called two coldTurn: (14 BB) K:club: (5 players)SB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, DamnPartyPokerIsSoft calls, SB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.correct to go for overcalls?meh, I guessRiver: (19 BB) J:heart: (5 players)SB checks, MP1 bets, DamnPartyPokerIsSoft calls, SB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.i'm sure i'm beat here since my original read on the pre-flop three-bettor was a set, so should i be folding to two cold?? i figured it's a big pot, it's worth calling even two on the offchance that my flush is good and that the raiser is overplaying JTo or a straight.its a really big pot. I think 3betting here works enpugh to show a profitFinal Pot: 29 BBaseem

[tskillz187]

I think everything looked good except maybe the turn call instead of raising, i understand you want the other calls but if the game is that soft you might get them anyways, but if ever there is a situation to go for the extra calls this is it, its just a little cute for my taste.

[Absolute]

akishore said:

i just deposited into party poker, and holy god, these games are soft as none other. it's insanely amazing. i'm having the time of my life, but i'm sure i'll suffer some bad losing streaks at some point as well.i deposited $500 for the full 30% ($150) bonus, but withdrew $200 of it so that i can just play the minimum stakes of .50/1 for a while. my name is akino1 on there right now if anyone of you are interested (this is a temporary account since i have no rakeback--i'll be playing mainly on empire/eurobet in the future).Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converterPreflop: DamnPartyPokerIsSoft is Button with Q:club:, 8:club:.    UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, DamnPartyPokerIsSoft calls.i'm pretty sure Q8s is an okay call on the button with four limpers before me.Flop: (13 SB) T:club:, J:club:, 4:heart: (6 players)SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, DamnPartyPokerIsSoft calls, SB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.was raising here correct? i just figured that since i had an overcard and a gutshot to go with the flush draw, it would be good to clean up overcard outs as well as gutshot outs (if i can make another Q8 or 87 fold, it's good for me). was this wrong? (should i go for overcalls here?)Turn: (14 BB) K:club: (5 players)SB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, DamnPartyPokerIsSoft calls, SB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.correct to go for overcalls?River: (19 BB) J:heart: (5 players)SB checks, MP1 bets, DamnPartyPokerIsSoft calls, SB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.i'm sure i'm beat here since my original read on the pre-flop three-bettor was a set, so should i be folding to two cold?? i figured it's a big pot, it's worth calling even two on the offchance that my flush is good and that the raiser is overplaying JTo or a straight.Final Pot: 29 BBaseem

Wow, huge pot.I have been learning recently through constantly browsing the 2+2 archives to get much more aggressive when necessary.I really think you need to cap the flop and raise the turn, and raise the river.Would like to here more input on my suggestion here.

[Vade]

Anyone like the idea of raising preflop to build it up?Anyone? Bueller?

[akishore]

thanks for the replies.i was thinking of capping the flop, and i think i should have since i had such strong equity.with the turn, however, the problem with raising to me is i don't quite see the purpose.if it's to protect my hand, what am i really protecting against? maybe against two pair, but with implied odds factored in, even two pair has okay odds to call two cold here (if he counts all his outs as clean). against anything else, i'm just building up the pot for them--namely, sets.when the board pairs and there's a bet and a raise, i really don't understand why some of you say three-bet. i knew right then that i was beat, and it was a way correct (10-10). do you really think your flush will be good often enough on such an action-heavy board to three-bet??so my two problems are the turn and river. i'm not sure if raising really does anything--i want the weak hands to call behind me since many of them are probably drawing dead, and the ones that are drawing quite live won't be in any worse shape if i raise. i also definitely don't think a three-bet is correct, but maybe someone can explain that more.aseem

[KDawgCometh]

akishore said:

thanks for the replies.i was thinking of capping the flop, and i think i should have since i had such strong equity.with the turn, however, the problem with raising to me is i don't quite see the purpose.if it's to protect my hand, what am i really protecting against? maybe against two pair, but with implied odds factored in, even two pair has okay odds to call two cold here (if he counts all his outs as clean). against anything else, i'm just building up the pot for them--namely, sets.when the board pairs and there's a bet and a raise, i really don't understand why some of you say three-bet. i knew right then that i was beat, and it was a way correct (10-10). do you really think your flush will be good often enough on such an action-heavy board to three-bet??so my two problems are the turn and river. i'm not sure if raising really does anything--i want the weak hands to call behind me since many of them are probably drawing dead, and the ones that are drawing quite live won't be in any worse shape if i raise. i also definitely don't think a three-bet is correct, but maybe someone can explain that more.aseem

in a word yes. I'd definetly threebet it. Here's why, more often then not, someone will just ahve trips since noone raised the turn when the flush card came they'd be thinking that they're good here. Q9 and AQ are possibilities here as well. so you beat those. the key is your turn call, you didn't indicate a flush so why would someone think that their straight or trips aren't good there

[wrto4556]

Cap the flop, dude. You have a great draw.Raise the turn. Giving a cheap card to the naked A sucks harder than Heather Brooke.Call the river. Overcalls, nigga!

[BeanGW]

akishore said:

thanks for the replies.i was thinking of capping the flop, and i think i should have since i had such strong equity.with the turn, however, the problem with raising to me is i don't quite see the purpose.if it's to protect my hand, what am i really protecting against? maybe against two pair, but with implied odds factored in, even two pair has okay odds to call two cold here (if he counts all his outs as clean). against anything else, i'm just building up the pot for them--namely, sets.when the board pairs and there's a bet and a raise, i really don't understand why some of you say three-bet. i knew right then that i was beat, and it was a way correct (10-10). do you really think your flush will be good often enough on such an action-heavy board to three-bet??so my two problems are the turn and river. i'm not sure if raising really does anything--i want the weak hands to call behind me since many of them are probably drawing dead, and the ones that are drawing quite live won't be in any worse shape if i raise. i also definitely don't think a three-bet is correct, but maybe someone can explain that more.aseem

Aseem:I guess I'm providing the opinion of the tight player here. I actually think you played this one fine. By the time the turn hits the board, with so many still in the pot after quite a number of raises, I think it's safe to assume that at least of them has either the set or the made Ace high flush. Some are in there with complete rags... but not all.I wouldn't have raised the turn either, anytime I've done that with that many fish in the bowl I've either run into the Ace or the board pairs for the FH. At this point I play check/call. If you had the Ace high flush you absolutely must three-bet the turn. Otherwise, I'd only do that against a smaller field.I don't know what KDawg's been smokin to think that a three-bet would be appropriate with so many in the pot. Sure the King is on the board, but the Ace is not, and how often have you held two cards to the straight only to lose to the nutz? But then again I'm a pretty tight player myself. I mean, Q-8s is a borderline hand at best even on the button... why is it all of a sudden the King Krablar? :roll: I understand the argument for protecting against the naked Ace at that point, but with the preflop and post flop action do you really think that the naked Ace is what should concern you? I think it's good to assume you've been beat by the river card. If no one had filled up their set at that point I would be very surprised.

[wrto4556]

George,imo, you play *too* tight. Q8s on the button after all those limpers isn't even a loose call. That's standard. :-) Also, on the flop, we have a ton of equity, and each bet we put in is for value. On the turn we have the best hand a whole lot. We can't fear the nuts. Raise it up. A set isn't going to fill up everytime.When the board paired on the river we should be worried and go for overcalls.

[akishore]

hey wrto, i agree with you on every street, but i'm still not sure about the turn.you raise to protect against the naked ace and two pair hands?the thing is, wont they (at least the naked ace will be) still be calling profitably, even for two cold? so doesn't it make sense to just go for overcalls (for value) since you're not really protecting your hand anyway?aseem

[TJ_Eckleburg]

I agree completely with wrto. Only go for overcalls on the river when the board pairs. At .50/1 on Partypoker... the 2nd nuts are golden. Anyone that would have overcalled would have called one more bet.

[wrto4556]

akishore said:

hey wrto, i agree with you on every street, but i'm still not sure about the turn.you raise to protect against the naked ace and two pair hands?the thing is, wont they (at least the naked ace will be) still be calling profitably, even for two cold? so doesn't it make sense to just go for overcalls (for value) since you're not really protecting your hand anyway?aseem

If they have the odds to call lots of good things can happen. Someone could *incorrectly* fold the naked A . Also, if they are going to call anyway, raise when you have the best hand. That's a HUGE equity edge. You are winning like 70% of the time and only putting in about 20% of the money. Protect your hand in big pots hoping someone will incorrectly fold. If you cannot protect your hand, you are still getting value for your raise.