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Standard Worst River Ever Vs Donk

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  1. 1. Would you:

    • swear, kick your dog, then check/call
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    • swear, kick your dog, then check/fold
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    • swear, kick your cat, then check/call
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    • swear, kick your cat, then check/fold
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    • fistpump cause now he'll think you're bluffing, and donk out a small bet he'd call with 2pr
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NoSup4U

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Guy is an aggro donk who I have less than 50 hands with. ^#$#$@!# river. Vote!Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $2/$46 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $482UTG+1: $449.60CO: $600NoSup4U: $396SB: $437.15BB: $487Pre-flop: (6 players) NoSup4U is SB with :D :D 3 folds, NoSup4U raises to $12, BB raises to $40, NoSup4U calls.Flop: :):D:club: ($82, 3 players)NoSup4U checks, BB checks.Turn: :) ($82, 3 players)NoSup4U bets $55, BB calls.River: :D ($192, 3 players)Mark

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dms26

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I would say donk bet but an aggro player might smell weakness and raise. So I think I check here and see how much he bets. I don't think he plays QQ, Q9 or KQ like this, but I can see AQ,Q8,QT following a similar line.You need a puking option on the poll.

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Naismith

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the only hand that card helped was QQ... if he's got it, or 99 / TT / JJ for that matter, so be it...
AdKd begs to differ!
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NoBBiR

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the only hand that card helped was QQ... if he's got it, or 99 / TT / JJ for that matter, so be it...i think you still have the best of it...EDIThow the fucc are you checking?
That's a nutso river. Are you advocating betting an amount that gets us sticky if he shoves or raises? At that point, we don't beat anything but a stone bluff. I'm really not interested in sticking my whole stack in with bottom set on a 4 straight, 3 flush, 4 overcarded board. Also when we donk, if we don't bet enough to get us sticky to seeing showdown, then our bet smells of weakness and is likely to get raised by a good opponent.I think it is much smarter to check/call here so that we don't have to put in 249549 when we're behind.
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Guy is an aggro donk who I have less than 50 hands with. ^#$#$@!# river. Vote!Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $2/$46 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $482UTG+1: $449.60CO: $600Button: $396NoSup4U: $437.15BB: $487Pre-flop: (6 players) NoSup4U is SB with :D :D 3 folds, NoSup4U raises to $12, BB raises to $40, NoSup4U calls.Flop: :):D:club: ($82, 3 players)NoSup4U checks, BB checks.Turn: :) ($82, 3 players)NoSup4U bets $55, BB calls.River: :D ($192, 3 players)Mark
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Acid_Knight

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I think there are worse rivers. He never has a set here. AKdd I'd worry about. With a double gutter, two overs and position, I doubt he ever checks the flop.I c/c because AKdd is really the one hand I'm afraid of. His line doesn't make sense.

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whiterice714

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That's a nutso river. Are you advocating betting an amount that gets us sticky if he shoves or raises? At that point, we don't beat anything but a stone bluff. I'm really not interested in sticking my whole stack in with bottom set on a 4 straight, 3 flush, 4 overcarded board. Also when we donk, if we don't bet enough to get us sticky to seeing showdown, then our bet smells of weakness and is likely to get raised by a good opponent.I think it is much smarter to check/call here so that we don't have to put in 249549 when we're behind.
either way i'm not even sure what this post is all about, he goes from opening the pot PF OTB to all of a sudden being OOP & checking his set to the PFRR... i wouldn't check the flop ever if i'm hero, it's just way too drawy... if hero was UTG & in this spot i'd lead out, maybe check raise, but then it looks like the villian in this hand checks it to us (i'm assuming? i dont know wtf is going on it's almost impossible to with the misinformation that's given) @ which point we have to bet this flop like 90% of the time IMO...so was the turn a c/c by villain? if that's the case & he checks the river, in retrospect i'm probably checking behind, i'm not really sure what calls a bet there...
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either way i'm not even sure what this post is all about, he goes from opening the pot PF OTB to all of a sudden being OOP & checking his set to the PFRR... i wouldn't check the flop ever if i'm hero, it's just way too drawy... if hero was UTG & in this spot i'd lead out, maybe check raise, but then it looks like the villian in this hand checks it to us (i'm assuming? i dont know wtf is going on it's almost impossible to with the misinformation that's given) @ which point we have to bet this flop like 90% of the time IMO...so was the turn a c/c by villain? if that's the case & he checks the river, in retrospect i'm probably checking behind, i'm not really sure what calls a bet there...
Like just about every post lately the converter has been screwed up, lol.
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Zach6668

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I'm torn here. I'd prefer to kick a cat, but the problem is I'd never own a cat because cats suck. And I can't kick my dog, because dogs are awesome.This is a toughy.
Umm... this pretty well sums it up.Except that this card isn't nearly as awful as you think it is.He's not calling on the turn on a gutshot, and that's what this completes, aside from KQ or QQ, I suppose.Meanwhile, a flush draw isn't out of the question either.What I like to do on these rivers is check, and let him make his move. Depending on the player, I'd call or fold, etc, probably lean towards calling. The problem is, no matter what we do, we don't really have much idea where he is in this hand. Bleh. I think we're either so far ahead that he'd fold to a value bet with all of his worse hands. On the other hand, the check gives him the chance to bluff at us with a wider range, on an obviously scary board. LHE, this is a c/c imo. NL this is a c/?. :club:
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Acid_Knight

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Villian could have AQ, KQ, QJ, anyone else think that?
Based on preflop action, the villain should often have a bigger pair than ours or a AK/AQ type of hand.I also just noticed that this is BvB, so his range is significantly wider. That being said, what hands does he reraise with preflop and then check that flop when he is HU with position? I can't think of many. If he flopped a pair, he's probably betting. He's surely betting overpairs. There's an outside chance that he flopped a set and is slowplaying, but is he really gonna flat call the turn with a set? I doubt it. He probably also bets his good draws, which include flush draws and AQ/KQ straight draws.I think that a c/c on the river is best. I don't think you lose value from many hands since if you bet, he's probably not calling with worse too often anyway. If you choose to bet and he raises, you can't call. He will often show up with some kind of missed draw here.I guess I just don't have a handle on his range becuase it's BvB and there's not much info to go on. I'd hate to fold here since our hand is so strong looking against the range of hands that he'd played his passively, so the cheapest way not to fold is to c/c!
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krup24

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even though villian is aggro donk, i bet this flop all day long. flop is coordinated and we are oop. i think i understand your thinking that villian will instabet if you check to him. i would suggest not trying to get too cute with a villian like this unless flop is like 834 rainbow or the likes. being that he reraised you pf makes me bet the flop more. the main reason i don't check is because i don't want this to go c/c like ever.as played i c/call the river.

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NoSup4U

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even though villian is aggro donk, i bet this flop all day long. flop is coordinated and we are oop. i think i understand your thinking that villian will instabet if you check to him. i would suggest not trying to get too cute with a villian like this unless flop is like 834 rainbow or the likes. being that he reraised you pf makes me bet the flop more. the main reason i don't check is because i don't want this to go c/c like ever.as played i c/call the river.
I would bet this flop vs most good villian's, but in my limited experience with this villian I just couldn't see him checking any flop or understanding how bad this flop would be to bet with AK/AQ etc. I also didn't give him too much credit here pf, given his donkishness so far, and it being bvb. (that was my reasoning at the time for the flop play at least)Mark
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Acid_Knight

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I would bet this flop vs most good villian's, but in my limited experience with this villian I just couldn't see him checking any flop or understanding how bad this flop would be to bet with AK/AQ etc. I also didn't give him too much credit here pf, given his donkishness so far, and it being bvb. (that was my reasoning at the time for the flop play at least)Mark
I'd bet AQ here all day long.
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Naismith

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I'm torn here. I'd prefer to kick a cat, but the problem is I'd never own a cat because cats suck. And I can't kick my dog, because dogs are awesome.This is a toughy.
This is probably the most flawless strategy post we've had.
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