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[rog]

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Rog is CO with [Kd], [As]. 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (10.50 SB) [Qd], [2c], [3h] (5 players)BB bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, Rog calls.Turn: (7.25 BB) [2d] (4 players)BB bets, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls, Rog folds.2 overs on a ragged flop...how's the call on the flop? I do it about 50/50.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Rog is MP3 with [6d], [7d]. 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: (5 SB) [Ad], [6h], [Kc] (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Rog checks.Turn: (2.50 BB) [8c] (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets, Rog folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+2 calls.Now here's a serious leak in my game...I'm embarassed even looking at it. I tend to play MP3 like it's the CO or button. When I started playing I thought late position was the last 3 seats. Old habits die hard.Anyway, pretend I'm on the button. Is the fold weak or wise?Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Rog is BB with [Kc], [Ks]. 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls.Flop: (10 SB) [Th], [4c], [Qs] (5 players)SB checks, Rog bets, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB folds.Turn: (6.50 BB) [7d] (3 players)Rog bets, MP3 folds, CO calls.River: (8.50 BB) [Ac] (2 players)Rog checks, CO checks.Final Pot: 8.50 BBBet the river when the A falls, or do I check it down?

[Emptyeye]

Hand 1 is fine. You are getting the proper odds to make that call providing you think your overs are good.Hand 2: Well, let's just say your hindsight analysis is correct. Seriously, low suited connectors in general just don't have a lot of value in limit, partially due to only being able to win a certain amount in the hand if you hit hard. Anyway, given that you really shouldn't be in the hand, the postflop play is fine.Hand 3: I believe the correct play is to bet for value, as most reasonable people shouldn't be calling you down with just an ace. This being Party .5/1, I don't mind the check as much as you might think, as people tend to hang around with ace high (Or ace-rag where they've already paired their rag and thus rivered two-pair) much more than they should.

[RonBurgundy]

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Rog is CO with [Kd], [As]. 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (10.50 SB) [Qd], [2c], [3h] (5 players)BB bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, Rog calls.Turn: (7.25 BB) [2d] (4 players)BB bets, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls, Rog folds.2 overs on a ragged flop...how's the call on the flop? I do it about 50/50.the call is fine, as it is evertime there is solid math behind it. getting 12.5 to 1 with 6 outs is a call. And good job letting it go on the turn, as some people tend to overvalue AK.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Rog is MP3 with [6d], [7d]. 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: (5 SB) [Ad], [6h], [Kc] (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Rog checks.Turn: (2.50 BB) [8c] (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets, Rog folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+2 calls.Now here's a serious leak in my game...I'm embarassed even looking at it. I tend to play MP3 like it's the CO or button. When I started playing I thought late position was the last 3 seats. Old habits die hard.Anyway, pretend I'm on the button. Is the fold weak or wise?the fold is good as you were getting 2.5 to 1 with 5 outs, but id probably fold this preflop. look for maybe one more limper before you if you want to play these little suited connectors.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Rog is BB with [Kc], [Ks]. 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls.Flop: (10 SB) [Th], [4c], [Qs] (5 players)SB checks, Rog bets, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB folds.Turn: (6.50 BB) [7d] (3 players)Rog bets, MP3 folds, CO calls.River: (8.50 BB) [Ac] (2 players)Rog checks, CO checks.Final Pot: 8.50 BBBet the river when the A falls, or do I check it down?go ahead and bet that river. that's weak, as wrto would say.

[wrto4556]

Checking the river with KK *was* weak.On the second hand, I could argue betting the fop. yes, the 76s hand...betting the flop. give me some reads and I will entertain the idea.

[Allie]

wrto4556 said:

Checking the river with KK *was* weak.On the second hand, I could argue betting the fop. yes, the 76s hand...betting the flop. give me some reads and I will entertain the idea.

That was my thought...perhaps betting the flop with the 76....everyone checked around and you had a pair, and it maybe discourages the turn bet by the other player...giving you the option of a free card...maybe you pick up something on the river...you can always come away if someone bets and your hand doesnt improve. The KK hand....I bet at the river, but checking not necessarily wrong...I've seen ALOT of players at low limit tables calling to the river with an ace.

[KDawgCometh]

wrto4556 said:

Checking the river with KK *was* weak.On the second hand, I could argue betting the fop. yes, the 76s hand...betting the flop. give me some reads and I will entertain the idea.

man, with everyone checking to me, I'd definetly betting the flop. Your bottom pair is probably good here. By betting you'll be taking down more pots then you would by checking. what else would you want with this flop. you hit bottom pair and everyone gives you the greenlight. If you get CRed, then peel one off

[KDawgCometh]

Allie said:

wrto4556 said:

Checking the river with KK *was* weak.On the second hand, I could argue betting the fop. yes, the 76s hand...betting the flop. give me some reads and I will entertain the idea.

That was my thought...perhaps betting the flop with the 76....everyone checked around and you had a pair, and it maybe discourages the turn bet by the other player...giving you the option of a free card...maybe you pick up something on the river...you can always come away if someone bets and your hand doesnt improve. The KK hand....I bet at the river, but checking not necessarily wrong...I've seen ALOT of players at low limit tables calling to the river with an ace.

true, but your normally missing a lot of value with worse hands paying you off when they don't have an ace

[Allie]

KDawgCometh said:

Allie said:

The KK hand....I bet at the river, but checking not necessarily wrong...I've seen ALOT of players at low limit tables calling to the river with an ace.

true, but your normally missing a lot of value with worse hands paying you off when they don't have an ace

Right...and that's why I personally would bet at the river

[KDawgCometh]

right on. I just wanted to make the value clear to the OP 8)

[DKE_XP120]

wrto4556 said:

Checking the river with KK *was* weak.On the second hand, I could argue betting the fop. yes, the 76s hand...betting the flop. give me some reads and I will entertain the idea.

Shouldnt you be emphasizing the work "weak" not was?

[rog]

So bet the river when the A falls. Yup. Weak. I'll work on that. My agression factor is WAY up since using pokertracker, but I guess I still need to tweak my river play. I've seen way to many A high hands check/call in Part .5/1, it's hard not get gun-shy.As for the 67 hand. Hmmm...I see what you're saying with bet the flop. This table was very loose-passive and full of calling stations (VPIP was around 40%, went to showdown% table average was around 30%), and second pair is definately going to check/call. At a table where you could induce a fold, I'd agree completely, but I have a hard time imagining that nobody has a king, or that a king is going to fold to a flop bet at this table, so if I stay I think I need to improve. Let me see...2 good outs to trips. 1.5 for the backdoor flush, and let's discount my 2-pair outs (a la Sklansky) since they may not be good enough. I've got about 5 outs. Good enough for a free-card bet? yeah, maybe. My thinking was I'm on a weak draw, so check for the free-card and give it up on the turn if I dont improve.If you knew for sure that any K was going to showdown, would you still bet the flop here?Here's a testimonial. Improvements in my game come from 3 things: FCP, SSHE and pokertracker. All three are ESSENTIAL in my opinion. I would not even know about my MP3 leak if it wasn't for pokertracker. There it is in black and white (red actually) that the only position outside the blinds where I have a net loss is MP3. Quick check of some hands shows that yes indeed, my start requirements for MP3 were too loose. Looked at my Party .5/1 only data last night, and I've actually plugged that leak and turned it around for a small net profit overall from MP3. Dont have pokertracker? Get it now, thank me later.