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[Sheiky]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 (t3100)
MP1 (t2500)
MP2 (t1380)
CO (t1840)
Button (t1130)
SB (t1950)
Hero (t1500)
UTG (t1480)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, A.
UTG calls t20, 1 fold, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, CO calls t20, Button calls t20, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t140) K, J, 9 (7 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t60, UTG calls t60, MP1 calls t60, MP2 calls t60, CO calls t60, Button calls t60, SB folds.

Turn: (t500) A (6 players)
Hero bets t100, UTG raises to t320, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls t220.

River: (t1140) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t1100 (All-In), UTG calls t1080 (All-In).

Final Pot: t3300

How many mistakes did i make here?

[CBrownOSU04]

a lot

[Cappy37]

Your turn bet is ridiculously small and lets the world know you are on a draw. Because of that, shoving the river is horrid when the draw doesn't get there, even though you made Aces up.

I'm actually more curious to see your villain's holding, because you are only really beat by AK and QT here, and I can't envision either flat-calling that flop and then raising that turn.. And if someone limped with AK PF they should be shot. So I'm guessing AK or some random flopped set (99?).

Take solace in the fact someone else played this hand horribly, too.

[Sheiky]

How should i play it then?

I'm never sure what to do with drawing hands in a tournament.

[Cappy37]

How should i play it then?

I'm never sure what to do with drawing hands in a tournament.

Well, your bet on the flop wasn't enough to get anyone with a reasonable hand to fold. It did build a nice pot, which is a good for a drawing hand, but you also risked getting raised and forcing the issue on the flop.

Draws are tricky. We hate putting much money in with them until they hit, but when they hit we aren't able to get much out of them. It all comes down to style and feel. I like to bet my draws on the come a lot, it accomplishes two things: 1. )it builds a nice pot so when your draw hits you take down a nice profit, and 2. ) you can take down the pot with that one bet. It's utterly pointless to "draw" to a hand if no one is going to pay you off. I like to find out right away if anyone else has a hand they are ready to go to war with. And yes, I'm more than willing to get it all in on the flop to buy myself two cards in that spot, especially if I feel hitting an ace will win the pot for me. Building a stack is often worth the gamble, because having double the original stack gives you so much more room to work with.

You aren't going to be able to sit back for hours and wait for premium PF hands, when you flop something playable, a lot of the time you need to play it. If you can figure you have 12 outs twice with the ace and any club, that puts you even money, and someone also has to call your push. A check raise on that flop might be the best way to go about it, especially if you can lure some scared dead money in between the bettor and your C/R. If you are going to take a flip, you'd love to get paid much better than 2-1 for the gamble if you can swing it.

But wait for Copernicus to wake up, I'm a pretty left-field NLHE player. I blame it on being so nitty (read: profitable) in mixed games. NLHE is essentially my nutbar playground.

[Sheiky]

ADSfbsdjfvl esfvjust came 3rd a ****ing gain, i give up at this ****ing game

[copernicus]

I dont think there are any major mistakes. On the flop drag as many people into the pot as you can with the nut flush, tp draw. On the turn you want to build the pot without chasing people. For some its going to look like a flush draw, but many will discount that because you didnt bet the flop hard. For those players it looks like a weak Ace. So youre following the fundamental theorem of poker for 1/2 the field, and violating it for 1/2 the field. Hit either side and you can accumulate some chips.

[potatoman]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 (t3100)
MP1 (t2500)
MP2 (t1380)
CO (t1840)
Button (t1130)
SB (t1950)
Hero (t1500)
UTG (t1480)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, A.
UTG calls t20, 1 fold, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, CO calls t20, Button calls t20, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t140) K, J, 9 (7 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t60, UTG calls t60, MP1 calls t60, MP2 calls t60, CO calls t60, Button calls t60, SB folds.

Turn: (t500) A (6 players)
Hero bets t100, UTG raises to t320, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls t220.

River: (t1140) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t1100 (All-In), UTG calls t1080 (All-In).

Final Pot: t3300

How many mistakes did i make here?

Preflop and flop is fine. No sense raising a lot here.

On the turn, I'm in a lot of pain. AJ, A9 and Q10 have us beat here and they're all possible holdings. If someone is holding 99 they are so horrible it's beyond understanding. When you're playing a draw with 7 opponents, you really have to stick to plan a) hit your draw or be able to fold on the river/turn to any aggression, especially on a super scary board.

All that being said, if I'm going to bet the turn, and I'm most likely betting the turn, I'm betting like I have a hand - 300-350. If I'm raised, I'm done with the hand. I don't go broke on my draws. I either make my draw or steal the pot.

You can also check the turn and see what develops. With seven people still in the hand, on a board like this, someone is going to let you know if you're beat. And if you are, you have to figure out your chances of making a flush on the river and whether it's worth continuing.

On the river, I check fold. I'm quite confident I'm beat.