No_Neck 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $23.40UTG+1: $14CO: $38.95Button: $51.75SB: $69.10Hero: $50Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with Q A 4 folds, SB raises to $1.5, Hero raises to $4, SB calls.Flop: A 4 6 ($8, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $13, Hero calls.Turn: A ($34, 2 players)SB bets $8, Hero raises all-in $33, SB calls.River: 8 ($100, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $100)villian is 28/15/7 after 32 handsi havne't really seen to many of his hands unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 also notice it is BvB Link to post Share on other sites
danc1984 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I know its not a large enough sample but wow that agg factor is high. I play it the same and just hope its not AK. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Aaaand.... at what point can you play this hand any differently?I guess you could threebet preflop or something.Donk betting into him is wonderful on the turn btw . Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 Donk betting into him is wonderful on the turn btw .if you are in the SB? Link to post Share on other sites
Dictius 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Will this guy play any ace or does he fold weak aces from the SB? If it's folded around, most players will raise from the SB with any ace. 44, 66 and AK are definitely in his range but I think this is most likely another Ace.What do people think the really weak bet of $8 on the turn means? Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 Will this guy play any ace or does he fold weak aces from the SB? If it's folded around, most players will raise from the SB with any ace.What do people think the really weak bet of $8 on the turn means?i have no idea Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 if you are in the SB?... and Temp Nuts regains retard status with a vengeance... oopsYeah... umm hmmm.... well he's got to have an ace/boat if he bet into you on the turn, unless it's exactly 7-5 clubs.... but 7-5 clubs should be re-raising the flop if he's aggro... geeze...Eh, it's BvB i still play it the same and pray he has a weak ace. You can't exactly fold and on the turn he's told you he's not folding. Since the chips are destined to get in this pot just put him in now. Link to post Share on other sites
AimHigher 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $23.40UTG+1: $14CO: $38.95Button: $51.75SB: $69.10Hero: $50Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with Q A 4 folds, SB raises to $1.5, Hero raises to $4, SB calls.Flop: A 4 6 ($8, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $13, Hero calls.Turn: A ($34, 2 players)SB bets $8, Hero raises all-in $33, SB calls.River: 8 ($100, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $100)villian is 28/15/7 after 32 handsi havne't really seen to many of his hands unfortunately.On the turn A4, A6, AK, 66 & 44 have you beat (24 hands).A2, A3, A5, A7, A8, A9, AT, AJ (32 hands) are behind.He is aggressive, it's blind vs blind and from his perspective you are playing back at him. Most of the time you're ahead.Unlucky if he spiked that 8 on you. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Poker StarsIf it's online play, I usually I see villain turn over A8 here. You're probably luckier. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 It's standard imo.I don't get his turn $8 into 30ish though. Probably had a underfull, 44 or 66, but what can you do. After the turn comes off, you're going to war 100%. Link to post Share on other sites
Craigdog 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Against this player I don't see how you could have played it any differently, I take it he had a house with 44 or 66? Link to post Share on other sites
Andromeda 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 granted I'm still learning but my thoughts are he called your reraise preflop so he's at least holding an ace. Probably checks the flop to see if his two pair are good, you only raised half the pot which is a good feeler bet to see where you're at and probably thinks he can put you off your hand. Ace on the turn and he's probably got you beat, so he puts out a weak raise (which would seem fishy to me) and you go all in. You miss the river, I think he had you beat with the ace on the turn...I think if you went with a pot size bet after the flop, he probably would have folded since it would've been aces with a low end pair, your outs are higher, esp. if the board paired, it would've counterfeited his small pair.maybe I'm thinking too much?so how'd it turn out? Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 This is obviously standard. I just say something like "f*cking PokerStars" to myself when he turns over the low set.There's really no other way to go about this hand. Link to post Share on other sites
KramitDaToad 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 It's standard imo.I don't get his turn $8 into 30ish though. Probably had a underfull, 44 or 66, but what can you do. After the turn comes off, you're going to war 100%.It's usually a player trying to get correct odds for his flush draw Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 he had KK... ummm yeah. He went on to berate my call preflop with AQs... I love donkeys Link to post Share on other sites
Andromeda 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 he has KK... ummm yeah. He went on to berate my call preflop with AQs... I love donkeyswait, wait...he complained about you calling with AQ? wtf...he's the one who should be worried, esp. seeing an ace on the flop, it's the one card you need to beat him and you got it.as much as I am a donkey, I'm a donkey for being inexperienced, not for being a rude bastard. Link to post Share on other sites
Andromeda 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 granted I'm still learning but my thoughts are he called your reraise preflop so he's at least holding an ace. Probably checks the flop to see if his two pair are good, you only raised half the pot which is a good feeler bet to see where you're at and probably thinks he can put you off your hand. Ace on the turn and he's probably got you beat, so he puts out a weak raise (which would seem fishy to me) and you go all in. You miss the river, I think he had you beat with the ace on the turn...I think if you went with a pot size bet after the flop, he probably would have folded since it would've been aces with a low end pair, your outs are higher, esp. if the board paired, it would've counterfeited his small pair.curious what anyone thinks of my thought process above as a new player. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 wait, wait...he complained about you calling with AQ? wtf...he's the one who should be worried, esp. seeing an ace on the flop, it's the one card you need to beat him and you got it.as much as I am a donkey, I'm a donkey for being inexperienced, not for being a rude bastard.people are odd... *shrug* Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 curious what anyone thinks of my thought process above as a new player.I think it is a little weak Link to post Share on other sites
Andromeda 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I think it is a little weakcare to elaborate? you mean I play too conservative/always put an opponent on a better hand? Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 care to elaborate? you mean I play too conservative/always put an opponent on a better hand?Ace on the turn and he's probably got you beatthat part, seems a little weak, also don't put people on an ace just because they called your raise. But fear the Ace high boards... I dunno it is complicated. At least you are thinking, that beats 90% of players. Link to post Share on other sites
Andromeda 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 that part, seems a little weak, also don't put people on an ace just because they called your raise. But fear the Ace high boards... I dunno it is complicated. At least you are thinking, that beats 90% of players.book learnin has done me good I hear you though, I'm just playing the hand in my head and trying to put my own read on it. thanks for the feedback though. you know if you and I were playing that, I would've sucked out on the river on you (again) Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 book learnin has done me good I hear you though, I'm just playing the hand in my head and trying to put my own read on it. thanks for the feedback though. you know if you and I were playing that, I would've sucked out on the river on you (again)sorry about the padres... that must have been rough. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 he had KK... ummm yeah. He went on to berate his call preflop with AQs... I love donkeysFYPsee I'm not the only one who thought you were in the SB Link to post Share on other sites
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