aasurfer, on Thursday, October 4th, 2007, 11:49 AM, said:
that makes $99 in the pot as the action comes back to me... i move all in for $200 2nd calls5th callsbutton foldsbb callsWHAT?!?! that was unexpected to say the least. My evaluation of their hands was spot on... i just don't understand why they behaved as they did. 2nd: As5s5th: AdQsbb: 9d10sthe board comes down Ah9h9s 2s 10d and the BB wins with a full house.Again, i really thought what i was doing had an extremely good chance of increasing my stack by 50% with next to no risk but the entire table seemed to go crazy! Caro's "loose wiring" theory states that players don't know what they will do with their hands the majority of the time because there are not that many hands that are truly strong or truly weak. He says they act on a whim when the action comes to them. Any comments would be appreciated... was my thought process off in some way? or did i just run into a table gone crazy and some really bad luck?thanks,phil
In games less than 2/5, blowing up and super bluffing preflop is almost never +ev. People are just too stupid to play correctly, especially in Casinos. I understand why you did it, but you really have to have a strong read. I really hope you rebought and then used that insane image you just picked up to your advantage.
aasurfer, on Thursday, October 4th, 2007, 12:24 PM, said:
sorry but i disagree with you guys big time. my cards aren't the point and i said that to begin with. are you trying to tell me that on a table like that i should expect to be called for $170 limp reraise all in by A5s, AQo, and 910o? i knew what i was up against and made a play i'm surprised didn't work. consider the situation not the outcome... hopefully somebody out there can play beyond their cards and can give me a better opinion here. i'd like to know if anybody has had a similar situation in which players go haywire for no apparent reason. to me calling with anything less than KK is absurd.
Wrong. Calling you with anything less than AQ or about 66 is absurd, but it's going to happen - especially against stations in casinos. In order to pull off these plays you either have to have a super strong read, or be up against non stations. People don't care what you've shown down, they care about their own hands. You should be extremely happy with the hands that they called you with and that you weren't drawing dead before the river. It could, and should have ended up much worse. Hell, you even had the favorite going into the flop - you should have been ecstatic.
Acid_Knight, on Thursday, October 4th, 2007, 12:58 PM, said:
I fancy myself a decent player (insert laugher from forum regulars) and I'd probably call you fairly quickly with a hand like JJ or AK and I might even call with AQ (probably not) depending on how I felt at the table. Your raise is large and it discourages action. This isn't a tournament situation where it benefits you to take down the blinds to increase your stack. I feel that if you really had a hand like AA/KK you'd raise half of your stack and shove any flop. I'd weight your range much more heavily towards hands like 88-QQ and AK and therefore I think I'd be in good shape calling with high middle pairs like JJ and TT and stuff.The fact is that this is a terrible play for the reasons that Naismith stated.