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[Wily]

Sometimes I wonder why I play the 1-2 limit at FTP, when it is clearly the tightest game I know of.Here's two hands with QQ - how do you I think I played them? I was totally aggressive with both. In both hands, a monster was slowplayed by my opponents. Then I went on tilt for one hand and got revenge.Hand 1:Q Q in UTG.I raise, MP1 calls two, BB (who raises like a moron) three-bets, I cap, MP1 and BB call. Flop: 2 6 10 BB bets, I raise, Mp1 three-bets, BB calls, I cap it with an overpair and a decent flush draw. Mp1 and BB call.Turn: 2 6 10 A:spade: I check, thinking that one of the two has an ace of clubs and probably is ahead now. Mp1 bets, BB and I call.River: 2 6 10 A:spade: 8 Check, Mp1 bets, call, call. Final pot: 18 BB. Results in a day._______________________________________________________Hand two: Q Q , again in UTG. I raise, only the button calls.Flop: 7 9 3 I bet, button calls.Turn: 7 9 3 4 I bet, button raises, I three-bet because I think he just has top pair and thinks I have two overs, he calls.River: 7 9 3 4 6 I bet, button calls.Final pot: 11 BB_______________________________________________________Hand three: I go on major tilt: 9 7 in UTG+1I call, capped four way and I call! Flop: 6 6 8 I have a open ended straight flush draw, and i'm happy about it. I bet, Mp raises, BB three bets, I cap it! one person folds. Turn: 6 6 8 6 I know I'm in deep trouble now, but what the hell, I'm on tizilt ..BB bets, I call, MP folds. River; 6 6 8 6 5 Of course The fish wins at the end of the day. We cap it, and he turns over KK (would anyone not cap it here with KK?), and I take down a 24BB pot, which fixes my tilt pretty quickly.

[wrto4556]

Hand 1: bet the turn.Hand 2: call the turn raiseHand 3: fold preflop, fold turn, nice river.

[Wily]

wrto4556 said:

Hand 1: bet the turn.Hand 2: call the turn raiseHand 3: fold preflop, fold turn, nice river.

Why bet the turn on Hand 1 when an over card has fallen that most likely pairs one of the two players, leaving me open to a raise, while not three-betting the turn on Hand 2 when I still have an overpair and the turn card looks fairly useless?

[Vade]

Hmm...hand 1, I think you have to bet the turn because you capped the flop.It's a standard continuation bet. You might even get a fold some of the time, if you get raised check/call it down of courseHand 2...I like the three bet on the turn. There's such a wide range of hand that he could cold call two with on the button. I really don't think the 4 helped him, you're trying to maintain control of the handHand 3, meh not really anything you can say that you don't already know, it's a tilt with a nice result

[otnemem]

Wily said:

I was totally aggressive with both.  In both hands, a monster was slowplayed by my opponents.

Am i missing something? Who slowplayed? It looks like there was a ton of aggression, and virtually no slowplaying.In Hand 1 you definitely have to bet the turn. If you're raised, you don't have to call down. YOU CAN FOLD. If you think or know you are beaten, you don't have to waste another 2 BB to find out. That's why you bet the turn - to try to gauge where you're at in the hand. I hate that you assume someone has the ace of clubs, and has paired their ace, but you're going to call down anyway. Texas Hold 'Em is a seven card game...EDIT: Tough love time - tilt is no excuse for the way you played hand 3. Capped before the flop=someone has a pair. Calling a bunch of bets knowing you have two outs is horrendous.

[wrto4556]

Hand one you bet the turn for a number of reasons. 1) you probably still have the best hand. 2) You miss out on bets when your hand is best 3) You have an equity edge 4) you don't give freecards 5) Its against the rules to be so passive. :-) Hand two a seemingly harmless card fell and you get raised. That is a reason to slowdown. There is nothing he could be semibluff raising with. He has you beat most of the time.Hand 3: duh.

[custom36]

otnemem said:

EDIT: Tough love time - tilt is no excuse for the way you played hand 3. Capped before the flop=someone has a pair. Calling a bunch of bets knowing you have two outs is horrendous.

Have you ever been on tilt? He can play it however the hell he wants. Different people deal with it different ways. He decided to try for the straight flush. I decided to rip on you and other people that piss me off. Leave a guy alone for tilt play.

[Wily]

wrto4556 said:

Hand one you bet the turn for a number of reasons. 1) you probably still have the best hand. 2) You miss out on bets when your hand is best 3) You have an equity edge 4) you don't give freecards 5) Its against the rules to be so passive.  :-)  Hand two a seemingly harmless card fell and you get raised. That is a reason to slowdown. There is nothing he could be semibluff raising with. He has you beat most of the time.Hand 3: duh.

In regards to hand two, I find that a lot of people on low limits wait with a small pair on a raised pot until the turn to raise, thinking that I have just two overs. They do this because a hand like A 9 on that flop has the most equity on the turn against two overs. For the results for you all to mull over (and the reason why I said slow play):Hand 1: A A He just called two preflop from my raise, and then called the capped pot. I never saw it coming. He did cap the flop, I believe, which was correct...Hand 2: K K Again, he just called two preflop without three-betting it. I suppose it was a weird form of slow play, but he certainly got at least 1 big bet more from me from doing it ..

[otnemem]

Custom36 said:

otnemem said:

EDIT: Tough love time - tilt is no excuse for the way you played hand 3. Capped before the flop=someone has a pair. Calling a bunch of bets knowing you have two outs is horrendous.

Have you ever been on tilt? He can play it however the hell he wants. Different people deal with it different ways. He decided to try for the straight flush. I decided to rip on you and other people that censored me off. Leave a guy alone for tilt play.

Oh. Well now it makes sense. Because you're mad, call off a bunch of chips looking for two outs.

[RISEorFall]

Wily said:

.  We cap it, and he turns over KK (would anyone not cap it here with KK?)

Um of course you cap this river with KK. You have the second nut boat, second only to AA. And of course, you can't go around putting people on AA. Aside from AA, the straight flush, and someone with the 4th 6, what are you scared of? Any of those holding are pretty unlikely and you have to be ahead here atleast 80 or 85% of the time, if not more.