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[JG8191]

Hand #1What would you guys have done on a flop like this?Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with Qs, Qc. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (9 SB) 8h, 4h, 7h (4 players)Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls.[It's here that I put him on having 1heart... and I have none so I know I am in trouble if another heart falls]Turn: (6.50 BB) Jh (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.[Well there it is...]River: (6.50 BB) 5h (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.[Check here b/c no one is going to lay down any heart and he is only going to call if he has me beat...]Final Pot: 6.50 BBResults below: Hero has Qs Qc (flush, jack high). UTG+1 has 9h 9s (flush, jack high). Outcome: UTG+1 wins 6.50 BB. Hand #2Am I being too passive with this?Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with Qc, Qs. 3 folds, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP1 caps, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.[After I bet its capped... I am thinking MP1 has AKs, Axs something along those lines because he has been playing that way all night... he has been raising a lot too so I don't respect them too much but know that he does it with high cards]Flop: (17 SB) 9c, 6h, Ah (4 players)Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, CO folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls.[Ok, not the best flop in the world... flush draws and an A... so I decided to check and call and see where I stand... Interestingly MP1 check/calls also. I am feeling better about my hand but still fear someone with an ace]Turn: (10 BB) 8c (3 players)Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, MP1 folds.[check/call]River: (12 BB) 8d (2 players)Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.[check/call]Final Pot: 14 BBResults below: Hero has Qc Qs (two pair, queens and eights). MP2 has Js Ks (one pair, eights). Outcome: Hero wins 14 BB. Now I know this is super-passive, not usually my style but it seems when I bet out and I always get raised and someone does have that A. Should I have raised the turn? I am thinking this is a yes...Thoughts?[/url]

[custom36]

Hand 1: You played it fine, there's nothing you can do differently there.Hand 2: I fold when he bets the turn. You got lucky he didn't have an A. I would NOT raise the turn unless it came as a Q.

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JG8191 said:

Hand #1What would you guys have done on a flop like this?Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with Qs, Qc. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (9 SB) 8h, 4h, 7h (4 players)Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls.[It's here that I put him on having 1heart... and I have none so I know I am in trouble if another heart falls]Turn: (6.50 BB) Jh (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.[Well there it is...]River: (6.50 BB) 5h (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.[Check here b/c no one is going to lay down any heart and he is only going to call if he has me beat...]Final Pot: 6.50 BBResults below: Hero has Qs Qc (flush, jack high). UTG+1 has 9h 9s (flush, jack high). Outcome: UTG+1 wins 6.50 BB.

Don't post results.3-bet the flop.

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Hand #2Am I being too passive with this?Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with Qc, Qs. 3 folds, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP1 caps, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.[After I bet its capped... I am thinking MP1 has AKs, Axs something along those lines because he has been playing that way all night... he has been raising a lot too so I don't respect them too much but know that he does it with high cards]Flop: (17 SB) 9c, 6h, Ah (4 players)Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, CO folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls.[Ok, not the best flop in the world... flush draws and an A... so I decided to check and call and see where I stand... Interestingly MP1 check/calls also. I am feeling better about my hand but still fear someone with an ace]Turn: (10 BB) 8c (3 players)Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, MP1 folds.[check/call]River: (12 BB) 8d (2 players)Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.[check/call]Final Pot: 14 BBResults below: Hero has Qc Qs (two pair, queens and eights). MP2 has Js Ks (one pair, eights). Outcome: Hero wins 14 BB.

B/F the flop.bet the turn.and the river

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[akishore]

i heavily disagree with one thing absolute... don't three-bet the flop in hand 1. there was a cardplayer article about playing overpairs on single-suited flops when you don't have a card of that suit.basically, three-betting does nothing but build the pot, and it fails to protect your hand in any way since flush draws are still getting proper odds and for all you know, you might be against a made flush.read also the overpair section in SSHE. your equity drastically changes on the turn, so wait for the turn to aggressive (i.e. just call his bet, and checkraise a blank on the turn).even black aces become very marginal holdings on that flop, and if you get too aggressive on the flop, you tie yourself to the pot. what would you have done if you had three-bet, he called/capped, then he bet the turn? would you have folded to a bet?if so, i think you're being too easily bluffed by someone with TPTK, or two pair, or an overpair, and no flush. you want to see a showdown, i think, and you don't want to tie yourself on that flop when the turn drastically changes your equity.i REALLY think the call on hand 1 is correct.anyway, yeah, be more aggressive in hand 2. bet out to see what happens. call a raise, and check-fold the turn unimproved. don't get in the habit of check-calling someone down just to keep them honest. the exception is if you have a read on him that says LAG or bluffer. without reads, respect their bets/raises, because more often than not, you were beat and you're wasting chips.aseem