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[JoRaff]

I'm in mid position, early in tourny, blinds are 1/2. we started with 19, 18 remain. starting chip stacks are 100. I have about 125. I pick up k10o and limp after playing extremely tight for the duration. guy to my rite and left are in, so's the dealer (4, no preflop raisers...guy to my left is short stacked @ 29). flop comes k j 10 rainbow. to my rite, the bet is 10, i make it 20 quickly, ...short stacked goes all-in (9 more for me to call) (ez choice so far...) .......the button calls the 29 and adds 30....(my guy on the rite folds)...I call, making my stack 58. i check turn, button checks turn, ...same for the river. (both are rags). Would you play it the same way??I'll tell you what they had after.

[Smasharoo]

Would you play it the same way?? No, but then I can play KT well post-flop if I limp with it. It appears that you can't, I'd just fold it in the future and stick to hands that are more straightforward to play.You have to lay this hand down to a raise on this flop. There are far too many hands that crush you.Situations like this are a good reason not to limp in with KT. You obviously can't play it well enough post-flop to bother with it. I imagine the short stack had KJ or worse and the button had AQ.Even if they had 23o you have to lay this down to a raise here. Most of the time you're looking at a 4 outer at best.

[Suited_Up]

He could have AQ, but he wouldn't have just checked the turn AND river if he did. I would have probably done the same. I wouldn't have folded after his raise.. I think i'd call and see what he does after... after he checks both, i figure that I'd be good. Unless he's retarded and somehow just checked the nuts the whole way. I figure he has AK or AJ maybe? Let us know what it was.

[JoRaff]

all-inner (short stack) showed AQoRaiser (button) showed TT

[Suited_Up]

Well you were just in bad shape there. It's not often that 3 people will all hit a flop so well.. not much you can do about that one really.

[NYSPOKER]

Smasharoo said:

Would you play it the same way??  No, but then I can play KT well post-flop if I limp with it.  It appears that you can't, I'd just fold it in the future and stick to hands that are more straightforward to play.You have to lay this hand down to a raise on this flop.  There are far too many hands that crush you.Situations like this are a good reason not to limp in with KT.  You obviously can't play it well enough post-flop to bother with it.  I imagine the short stack had KJ or worse and the button had AQ.Even if they had 23o you have to lay this down to a raise here.   Most of the time you're looking at a 4 outer at best.

I have to agree, K-10 is a marginal hand to limp with, you are looking for serious help on the flop. When it is helped 1/2 way, you have some difficult decisions to make. With the short stack committing the rest of his chips and the button re-raising, you gotta let it go. 2 pair is not a big hand, especially given that flop.You probably should be folding K-10 until you gain experience at the tables. Avoiding marginal situations as you are gaining experience will be more profitable. Wait for the stronger hands, and get maximum value from them.

[Pearl]

NYSPOKER, you in new york area?

[NYSPOKER]

Pearl said:

NYSPOKER, you in new york area?

No - upstate (Central NY, near Utica).

[copernicus]

Smasharoo said:

Would you play it the same way?? No, but then I can play KT well post-flop if I limp with it. It appears that you can't, I'd just fold it in the future and stick to hands that are more straightforward to play.You have to lay this hand down to a raise on this flop. There are far too many hands that crush you.Situations like this are a good reason not to limp in with KT. You obviously can't play it well enough post-flop to bother with it. I imagine the short stack had KJ or worse and the button had AQ.Even if they had 23o you have to lay this down to a raise here. Most of the time you're looking at a 4 outer at best.

What he said....foldExcept for the rare case of magic (flopping quads or a boat) hands that hit KTo are likely to hit a lot of other hands. Fold pre-flop.

[JoRaff]

copernicus said:

What he said....foldExcept for the rare case of magic (flopping quads or a boat) hands that hit KTo are likely to hit a lot of other hands. Fold pre-flop.

I like that, thank you