Deepstack Jacks Sandwiched

[rdtedm 0]

Hero has been playing LAG (~$500)Villain2 is a regular tricky player whom I have respect for. ($~550)Villain1 is loose/passive. (~$300)Hero is CO with [Jd Jc]SB, BB postUTG+1 callsMp1 callsFolds to HeroHero raises to $7Folds to UTG+1UTG+1 calls $7Mp1 calls $73-way flop ($24)[Qh 7h Js]UTG+1(villain1) checksMp1(villain2) checksHero bets $15villain1 calls $15villain2 calls $153-way turn ($69)Qh 7h Js [9s]Villain1 checksVillain2 checksHero bets $55Villain1 calls $55Villain2 raises to $300This time I really think villain1 has a decent hand. I can't decide if Villain2 has a hand like AhXh, K10, 810, or if hes raising with air. I don't take checking to show weakness here. They know I always bet when checked to in position especially if I raised pf and bet the flop. There's a ton of draws out there, some already got there, some were picked up on the turn, etc etc etc.Edit: the turn raise was to $300, that was a typo.

[mtdesmoines 2]

Hero has been playing LAG (~$500)Villain2 is a regular tricky player whom I have respect for. ($~550)Villain1 is loose/passive. (~$300)Hero is CO with [Jd Jc]SB, BB postUTG+1 callsMp1 callsFolds to HeroHero raises to $7Folds to UTG+1UTG+1 calls $7Mp1 calls $73-way flop ($24)[Qh 7h Js]UTG+1(villain1) checksMp1(villain2) checksHero bets $15villain1 calls $15villain2 calls $153-way turn ($69)Qh 7h Js [9s]Villain1 checksVillain2 checksHero bets $55Villain1 calls $55Villain2 raises to $200This time I really think villain1 has a decent hand. I can't decide if Villain2 has a hand like AhXh, K10, 810, or if hes raising with air. I don't take checking to show weakness here. They know I always bet when checked to in position especially if I raised pf and bet the flop.

Smooth call ... and we're calling any and all subsequent turn action here. If the flush hits the river w/o pairing the board, or if another broadway straight card drops, I can dump it. If not, I go ahead and call off the last half of my stack.

[rdtedm 0]

Smooth call ... and we're calling any and all subsequent turn action here. If the flush hits the river w/o pairing the board, or if another broadway straight card drops, I can dump it. If not, I go ahead and call off the last half of my stack.

I edited the turn action, dont know if this changes your thoughts.

[Scott3705 0]

Sick hand. I hate this spot, but I think given what you consider, vilian's tricky tendencies, you should be calling down. Against nittish type player, I'd say it's a fold, but against some one who's capable of trying to squeeze you out with a missed draw or something like that, I'd think his range is too wide and you have to call down. The other thing is that there are a bunch of 2 pair combos out there too.

[Temporary Nuts 1]

Raise from 55 to 300 is not for value in most cases. Esp if you've been playing LAG

[rdtedm 0]

Raise from 55 to 300 is not for value in most cases.

Maybe not in "most cases," but a made hand has to powerbet this to protect.

[Temporary Nuts 1]

Maybe not in "most cases," but a made hand has to powerbet this to protect.

However, the raise puts the other villain all in but not you. Doesn't that scream anything to you?

[rdtedm 0]

However, the raise puts the other villain all in but not you. Doesn't that scream anything to you?

What did you have in mind? Do you think he's going to go all-in here with ANY hand?

[mtdesmoines 2]

I edited the turn action, dont know if this changes your thoughts.

Push. We're all getting it in here. This is live, right?

[Acid_Knight 2]

The flop and turn bets are way too small on that drawy board.

[Acid_Knight 2]

The ONLY reason that I would flat call here would be to invite villain 1 along since I'm never folding on the river after putting in that many chips on the turn. Shoving the turn is probably correct though.

[rdtedm 0]

Push. We're all getting it in here. This is live, right?

Yes

[No_Neck 0]

Yes

any physical reads? hands shaking, arms crossed anything like that?

[rdtedm 0]

any physical reads? hands shaking, arms crossed anything like that?

The physical reads told me that villain1 has a decent hand, at worst, here. Villain2 I can't get any worthwhile reads on, he wears sunglasses and stares blankly at the table whenever he's in a big hand.

[Acid_Knight 2]

The physical reads told me that villain1 has a decent hand, at worst, here. Villain2 I can't get any worthwhile reads on, he wears sunglasses and stares blankly at the table whenever he's in a big hand.

I think it's virtually impossible that villain 1 has more than 1 pair or a draw of some kind.

[rdtedm 0]

I think it's virtually impossible that villain 1 has more than 1 pair or a draw of some kind.

You'd be surprised. I don't kid when I say loose/passive. He virtually never takes the lead or raises in any hand. And "decent" hands also include the draws you mention - onepair+draw, straight+flushdraw, twopair+flush draw, etc, etc

[Temporary Nuts 1]

What did you have in mind? Do you think he's going to go all-in here with ANY hand?

I think he's saying, "I know I have V2 beat, and I know you can't call."

[channjalen2003 0]

The flop and turn bets are way too small on that drawy board.

I agree. Need bigger bet on flop. they are getting way to good of odds to fold. They cannot put you on second set and in most likelyhood pushing pair or 2p and some kind of draw. No way I fold here or river if I put in the 300 so I say shove and live with results.

[NoBBiR 0]

The flop and turn bets are way too small on that drawy board.

Agreed.

The ONLY reason that I would flat call here would be to invite villain 1 along since I'm never folding on the river after putting in that many chips on the turn. Shoving the turn is probably correct though.

I really hate this spot, but I think I'm probably shoving here too. I would really expect to be beat if I get called, but I just don't see how you can fold either.

I think he's saying, "I know I have V2 beat, and I know you can't call."

People in most 1/2 live games do not think like this. Even the better 1/2 live players find it hard to have a multilevel thinking of that sort. 1/2 is donk city.

[Temporary Nuts 1]

People in most 1/2 live games do not think like this. Even the better 1/2 live players find it hard to have a multilevel thinking of that sort. 1/2 is donk city.

Villain2 is a regular tricky player whom I have respect for. ($~550)

[rdtedm 0]

Agreed.I really hate this spot, but I think I'm probably shoving here too. I would really expect to be beat if I get called, but I just don't see how you can fold either.People in most 1/2 live games do not think like this. Even the better 1/2 live players find it hard to have a multilevel thinking of that sort. 1/2 is donk city.

There's excellent players at every level.

[mtdesmoines 2]

There's donks at every level.

FYP

[Acid_Knight 2]

There are excellent players at every level.

FYG(grammar)