3-5 Live Hand Between Two Big Stacks

[pocket_change 0]

Sorry if I am formatting this wrong but I'd like to know your guys thoughts on this hand:$200 buy-in No Limit table, blinds are $3/5.I (Hero) have about $1100 behind.The other big stack (Villain) has about $1250 behind. All other stacks are between $100-$400.I have 8h9h in early position. I raise to $15.Six callers, including Villain and Donkey, both behind me.Flop is 7h10dJd. Bingo.Because there are seven people in the hand, I value bet the nuts for $50 expecting a raise from either AJ, 10J, diamond draw, KJ, KQ, etc.Villain calls.Donkey goes all-in for $25 more, not enough for me to re-raise.I call, Villain calls.Turn: 10h.I bet $100. Villain raises to $300.

[NoBBiR 0]

Call and check dark! WOOOOOO! You always have two outs

[ah2388 0]

theres like 750ish in there, and we have to call 200 morei think its a definite call here, maybe even a raise depending on reads, although a flopped set is possible, i think a naked 10 is possible as wellim calling here and reevaluating the river

[mtdesmoines 2]

Sorry if I am formatting this wrong but I'd like to know your guys thoughts on this hand:$200 buy-in No Limit table, blinds are $3/5.I (Hero) have about $1100 behind.The other big stack (Villain) has about $1250 behind. All other stacks are between $100-$400.I have 8h9h in early position. I raise to $15.Six callers, including Villain and Donkey, both behind me.Flop is 7h10dJd. Bingo.Because there are seven people in the hand, I value bet the nuts for $50 expecting a raise from either AJ, 10J, diamond draw, KJ, KQ, etc.Villain calls.Donkey goes all-in for $25 more, not enough for me to re-raise.I call, Villain calls.Turn: 10h.I bet $100. Villain raises to $300.

Call mode. This is AT usually. When he gets called, he'll slow down.

[bstark94 0]

I actually like a C/R with this flop with this many players. You've got to assume someone's gonna stab. If you lead out, lead out for more, make it look like you're C-betting AK. It'll look like a standard c-bet and you're more likely to get raised that way. Also, get the "SEAT CHANGE BUTTON", you don't want the other big stack on your left acting after you, you really wanna pick your spots to battle this guy, since he's the only one at the table that can hurt your stack.

[tskillz187 0]

Your turn bet is way too small and puts you in a very awkward spot.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Your turn bet is way too small and puts you in a very awkward spot.

I think this is a fairly straight forward reraise situation. On a flop that draw heavy, how come he's not reraising with 2 pair or a set? It doesn't make sense. I think you have way the best hand a HUGE majority of the time here and I reraise to get more money into the pot and protect my hand.

[pocket_change 0]

So am I supposed to tell you guys what happened or what? The last time I posted in here I got flamed for something but I can't remember what.

[David_Nicoson 1]

So am I supposed to tell you guys what happened or what? The last time I posted in here I got flamed for something but I can't remember what.

I like to give people a full day to comment before revealing results. I don't think anybody would be upset if you went ahead at this point, but you probably won't get any more unbiased feedback.

[NoBBiR 0]

No, post the results, I'm interested. David's right, you just have to wait for about a day or so and then nobody cares.

[rdtedm 0]

Ok, let me get this straightened out. At my game and at every other cash game ive played at, is that you can re-raise an all-in even if the raise is $1 more than the call. Somebody fix me.

[rdtedm 0]

Also, why raise from EP with suited connectors?

[Acid_Knight 2]

Ok, let me get this straightened out. At my game and at every other cash game ive played at, is that you can re-raise an all-in even if the raise is $1 more than the call. Somebody fix me.

This is a terrible rule. In a LHE game, if the all in is more than half a bet, you can raise it.In a NL game, if the all-in doesn't constitute a full legal raise, you can't reraise it. Your cardrooms is totally f-ed up if they let you reraise when you bet $14 and someone goes AI for $15.As for raising with suited connectors in EP, it's a good play as long as you play well post flop. Obviously you don't do it everytime, but mixing up your game is crucuial.

[Temporary Nuts 1]

Also, why raise from EP with suited connectors?

HOH

[No_Neck 0]

HOH

harrington on holdem? what does this mean?

[Temporary Nuts 1]

harrington on holdem? what does this mean?

It means the answer to his question is in volume 1

[tskillz187 0]

It means the answer to his question is in volume 1

Ugh. HOH: Expert Strategy on TOURNAMENT No-Limit Hold Em.A TOURNAMENT workbook.

[Temporary Nuts 1]

Ugh. HOH: Expert Strategy on TOURNAMENT No-Limit Hold Em.A TOURNAMENT workbook.

Cash games are nothing but tournaments infinitely stuck in the deep stack phase. In fact, most of Vol 1 is directed at having deeper stacks than you normally see.

[rdtedm 0]

Cash games are nothing but tournaments infinitely stuck in the deep stack phase. In fact, most of Vol 1 is directed at having deeper stacks than you normally see.

*sigh*I really can't believe that you think this.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Cash games are nothing but tournaments infinitely stuck in the deep stack phase. In fact, most of Vol 1 is directed at having deeper stacks than you normally see.

The thing that defines tournaments is that the blinds DO go up. There is pressure on you to play hands. HOH is a great book for tournaments and has some overall good poker advice (mostly about things to pay attention to) but they are VERY different from cash games.You saying that "cash games are nothing but tournametns stuck in the deep stack phase" is basically like saying "cash games are like tournaments only different" since you're taking away the main thing that defines tournament poker.

[rdtedm 0]

This is a terrible rule. In a LHE game, if the all in is more than half a bet, you can raise it.In a NL game, if the all-in doesn't constitute a full legal raise, you can't reraise it. Your cardrooms is totally f-ed up if they let you reraise when you bet $14 and someone goes AI for $15.As for raising with suited connectors in EP, it's a good play as long as you play well post flop. Obviously you don't do it everytime, but mixing up your game is crucuial.

I argued this rule a lot (I dont play in any cardrooms, as I'm 20), but unfortunately theres not much you can do when the "floor manager" is the house owner and he's interested in making pots as large as possible so he can rake them more.

[gfdsa146 0]

can we get results? i'm very curious

[Temporary Nuts 1]

The thing that defines tournaments is that the blinds DO go up. There is pressure on you to play hands. HOH is a great book for tournaments and has some overall good poker advice (mostly about things to pay attention to) but they are VERY different from cash games.You saying that "cash games are nothing but tournametns stuck in the deep stack phase" is basically like saying "cash games are like tournaments only different" since you're taking away the main thing that defines tournament poker.

But it's important to understand why they are different and why the advice on raising SC from EP has nothing to do with the fact that the book is aimed at tournaments.

[Temporary Nuts 1]

*sigh*I really can't believe that you think this.

Would you like me to say tournaments with infinite rebuy times as well :)They're a different monster... but most situations for +EV and -EV on cash barely differ from equity calculations in a deepstack phase of a tourney.

[Acid_Knight 2]

But it's important to understand why they are different and why the advice on raising SC from EP has nothing to do with the fact that the book is aimed at tournaments.

Then don't quote a tournament book and just explain why it's good to raise suited connectors from EP on occasion. It's so much more straight forward and your advice can be understood by people who haven't read HOH or any other books that advocate raising with suited connectors.