Q9o...rivered 2nd Nuts

[Mattnxtc 0]

Full Tilt PokerLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $0.25/$0.56 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $4.40UTG+1: $5.25CO: $3.70Button: $12.45Mattnxtc: $14.75BB: $5.05Pre-flop: (6 players) Mattnxtc is SB with 9 Q UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, Mattnxtc calls, BB checks.Flop: A 2 8 (5SB, 5 players)Mattnxtc checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.Turn: J (2.5BB, 5 players)Mattnxtc checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.River: T (2.5BB, 5 players)Mattnxtc bets, BB raises, 3 folds, Mattnxtc calls.Results:Final pot: 6.5BBVillian 46/1/1Now literally instantly raised...How often should I bet 3betting or just calling?

[Zach6668 513]

98% of the time.

[Run it Thrice 0]

98% of the time.

Agree, BB is rarely going to have KQ here considering flop was unraised.

[Zach6668 513]

Meh, BB is unlikely to raise with KQ out of the blinds.His hand is basically random until the river, so it can be any combo of 2 pair hands (except the Ax hands, since they would have bet flop or turn), TT even for passive pf players, 97, and of course, KQ.

[Run it Thrice 0]

Meh, BB is unlikely to raise with KQ out of the blinds.His hand is basically random until the river, so it can be any combo of 2 pair hands (except the Ax hands, since they would have bet flop or turn), TT even for passive pf players, 97, and of course, KQ.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what players do with KQ at .25 / .50, I just assumed they would raise it.

[Zach6668 513]

Assume passivity.

[Mattnxtc 0]

What ive learned so far about .25/.5 is that you cant really assume anything about anybody. The play is so off the wall that its just not surprising when your aces go down to a 24o who felt it was a good idea to call 3 bets from the sb. For this hand...the biggest throw off for me was it was like he had the "instaraise" button clicked as his raise was that fast.

[CoranMoran 0]

Our hand is completely disguised.No one could have any read on us.Thus they could be insta-raising the river with much less than the nuts.I 3bet this river every time.--CM

[Sheiky 0]

This is a definite 3-bet, don't out-think yourself into believing his insta-raise means he has the nuts, he could have a lot of hand that he would raise with that you are beating so go ahead and but in the 3rd bet.

[Mattnxtc 0]

This is a definite 3-bet, don't out-think yourself into believing his insta-raise means he has the nuts, he could have a lot of hand that he would raise with that you are beating so go ahead and but in the 3rd bet.

Yeah yall are right. This came on my second solid day of playing shlhe and I guess I was used to the suckouts of nlhe still. He ended up showing 2 pair (stronger than I would have guessed) and I took it down not 3betting the river (obvious mistake now).