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[BetItAll33]

villain is LAG with vpip around 60%. (75 hands)Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with Jh, Qh. CO posts a blind of $0.75. 3 folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds.I call one more with jqs from the big blind. Anyone disagree?Flop: (8 SB) 9d, 2h, Jc (3 players)Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Hero calls.check raise and get 3 bet. Can I lay it down now? I go into check/call mode.Turn: (7 BB) 2d (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.River: (9 BB) 7d (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 11 BB

[Vade]

Ouch. Defending your blind is fine here of courseThe check-raise is fine, but I think the three bet means you should bail out on the turnIs that too weak here? Maybe but it's top pair 3rd kicker

[Absolute]

i bet you won it.he has J-10 or 10-10?

[RISEorFall]

Depends on how bad of a LAG this guy is. Is he constantly betting and raising with nothing or small pairs? If so you're probably good. If he bets but lets bad hands go when under pressure you're probably not. If he's betting/raising with anything, I'm capping and betting the turn. Pairs against these guys are usually golden. If he's a halfway smart player who lets hands go when he figures he's beat, calling down may or may not be good.

[Absolute]

There's not enough information to guess his hand.He could have tons of hands here, I just guess you had him beat because you posted it in the first place and called him LAG.

[BetItAll33]

Absolute said:

There's not enough information to guess his hand.He could have tons of hands here, I just guess you had him beat because you posted it in the first place and called him LAG.

I called him LAG because he's playing 60% of his hands and showing down with hands like K3, K7, and Q4 (two of those were winners). Also he has raised preflop with Q9s. and the results...everglaze shows [ Qd, Qs ] two pairs, queens and twos.betitall33 doesn't show [ Jh, Qh ] two pairs, jacks and twos.everglaze wins $10.5 from the main pot with two pairs, queens and twos.Ironically, I rarely post a winning hand.

[JaysonWeber]

There isn't much point in posting a winning hand. Absolute is just being cranky Unless it if to see if you didn't get maximum value for your hand, which are always interesting posts. Going into Check/Call mode is the right thing to do, hes a LAG who posted dead blinds and could have anything. His raise means anything, honestly how many people do you see post dead and call a raise with rags just because they already put BB+SB into the pot? The three-bet scares me, its a good raise by you as it allows you to slow it down when you get to Big Bets.

[RISEorFall]

Even LAGs are gonna get good hands every once in a while. You have to pay those off because there are more hands here that you have beat that he is probably holding. You'll get the money back you lost here and much more. Don't worry about a random hand where LAG wins with a good hand. Most of the time he won't.

[RISEorFall]

JaysonWeber said:

Going into Check/Call mode is the right thing to do, hes a LAG who posted dead blinds and could have anything.

WHich is why I would keep raising/betting at it. The majority of the time you're winning here, and he's gonna keep throwing money at you. Midas well take it. You would've lost a big pot here, but you'd make the money back and more in no time.

[JaysonWeber]

RISEorFall said:

JaysonWeber said:

Going into Check/Call mode is the right thing to do, hes a LAG who posted dead blinds and could have anything.

WHich is why I would keep raising/betting at it. The majority of the time you're winning here, and he's gonna keep throwing money at you. Midas well take it. You would've lost a big pot here, but you'd make the money back and more in no time.

But he did 3-bet and continued to bet... That sends up warning signs to me. If he 3-bets here I check/call, no sense in paying off the few times he makes a hand, he isn't gonna be 3-betting the turn and river without a better hand than you. What hand could the LAG have (again he isn't a drunk fool, just a lag...) That you can beat when he's 3-betting? Don't let him 3-bet, check/call here.Anyone else have an opinion on this? I'm curious to know if I'm in the majority on this one actually.

[Absolute]

JaysonWeber said:

There isn't much point in posting a winning hand. Absolute is just being cranky Unless it if to see if you didn't get maximum value for your hand, which are always interesting posts. Going into Check/Call mode is the right thing to do, hes a LAG who posted dead blinds and could have anything. His raise means anything, honestly how many people do you see post dead and call a raise with rags just because they already put BB+SB into the pot? The three-bet scares me, its a good raise by you as it allows you to slow it down when you get to Big Bets.

Good call.I did wake up pretty cranky today.

[BeanGW]

JaysonWeber said:

RISEorFall said:

JaysonWeber said:

Going into Check/Call mode is the right thing to do, hes a LAG who posted dead blinds and could have anything.

WHich is why I would keep raising/betting at it. The majority of the time you're winning here, and he's gonna keep throwing money at you. Midas well take it. You would've lost a big pot here, but you'd make the money back and more in no time.

But he did 3-bet and continued to bet... That sends up warning signs to me. If he 3-bets here I check/call, no sense in paying off the few times he makes a hand, he isn't gonna be 3-betting the turn and river without a better hand than you. What hand could the LAG have (again he isn't a drunk fool, just a lag...) That you can beat when he's 3-betting? Don't let him 3-bet, check/call here.Anyone else have an opinion on this? I'm curious to know if I'm in the majority on this one actually.

I'd lay this one down. I'm putting him on A-J, or the Q-Q at this point (I actually did have him on Q-Q as I was reading along... I dunno, just figured him for the overpair. I don't quite understand the need to check-call in this situation unless you have at least A-J... I understand the guy is playing LAG, but even still... a three bet, and then two check-calls. Your droppin 5 bets at this guy, just to look him up.But, I guess in the end better to lose to the LAG and win it all back later.

[Absolute]

BeanGW said:

JaysonWeber said:

RISEorFall said:

JaysonWeber said:

Going into Check/Call mode is the right thing to do, hes a LAG who posted dead blinds and could have anything.

WHich is why I would keep raising/betting at it. The majority of the time you're winning here, and he's gonna keep throwing money at you. Midas well take it. You would've lost a big pot here, but you'd make the money back and more in no time.

But he did 3-bet and continued to bet... That sends up warning signs to me. If he 3-bets here I check/call, no sense in paying off the few times he makes a hand, he isn't gonna be 3-betting the turn and river without a better hand than you. What hand could the LAG have (again he isn't a drunk fool, just a lag...) That you can beat when he's 3-betting? Don't let him 3-bet, check/call here.Anyone else have an opinion on this? I'm curious to know if I'm in the majority on this one actually.

I'd lay this one down. I'm putting him on A-J, or the Q-Q at this point (I actually did have him on Q-Q as I was reading along... I dunno, just figured him for the overpair. I don't quite understand the need to check-call in this situation unless you have at least A-J... I understand the guy is playing LAG, but even still... a three bet, and then two check-calls. Your droppin 5 bets at this guy, just to look him up.But, I guess in the end better to lose to the LAG and win it all back later.

How is QQ any more likely than AA or KK?

[BeanGW]

How is QQ any more likely than AA or KK?[/quote]True dat.... same result if he had any of those though. Ya still give it up. Q-Q is just what came to mind for some reason.

[JaysonWeber]

Well are you folding on 4th? 5th?Theres 7 BB's in there after the flop.So folding on 4th your folding on 1-7 odds as it lays knowing you have to put 1 more bet into the pot laying you 1-10 right? Yeah its quick math but I THINK thats correct.With this guys VP$IP and his dead blind post.. I dunno, In most situations I' might be folding this to the three-bet (depending on his PFR%). But I'd call this down, then again, I've got plenty of leaks when it comes to situations like this.

[BeanGW]

JaysonWeber said:

Well are you folding on 4th? 5th?Theres 7 BB's in there after the flop.So folding on 4th your folding on 1-7 odds as it lays knowing you have to put 1 more bet into the pot laying you 1-10 right? Yeah its quick math but I THINK thats correct.With this guys VP$IP and his dead blind post.. I dunno, In most situations I' might be folding this to the three-bet (depending on his PFR%). But I'd call this down, then again, I've got plenty of leaks when it comes to situations like this.

I'd fold to the three bet. He check-raised, and got a three-bet over raise. You have to ask yourself right there... has this guy tried anything that loose without a hand. If the answer is yes, OK call him down. Personally, I pick my moments to go up against a LAG player. I pick a hand where I got two pair, or a set, or something real nice, and I nail the guy. Top pair, top kicker works too, but only when I'm in control of the action (ie late position). Otherwise I either wait for the better hand, or switch rooms. I think patience with LAG's is huge. You can really nail a guy if you play your cards right.You're absolutely right about the odds. And often times you do need to just go for it. For me in this situation it would be a gut decision. The odds are laying you OK to make the call, and it's not a bad call. I'm just saying that the three bet there would have me a little worried. The board is not organized, and a reasonable player wouldn't make that three bet without an overpair to the board or a set.

[RISEorFall]

BetItAll33 said:

I called him LAG because he's playing 60% of his hands and showing down with hands like K3, K7, and Q4 (two of those were winners). Also he has raised preflop with Q9s.

This is why I keep firing. The range of hands he could have here is huge. He might even be betting with A or K high. If the guy is a LAG I can put him on almost any 9 or J (and only 3 J's have me beat, KJ, AJ and J9). He could be betting almost any high card along with AK AQ KQ. I think about 75% of the time you're ahead here. There are about 9 hands you're a dog to here...AJ, KJ, J9, pocket J's, pocket 9's, pocket 2's, and the 3 overpairs. There are a lot of hands he could be playing and only 9 have you beat (J-2 or 9-2 maybe if they're sooooted). You gotta think you're ahead here enough of the time to be aggressive. I know he 3-bet, but that's what LAGs do...that why they're loose aggressive. I would like to hear some other opinions too though, as I'm usually not in the majority it seems.