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[BetItAll33]

BB has VP$IP of 48% after the first 70 hands at the table. Other than that, no read.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is CO with Ad, Qs. 3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, MP2 calls.Flop: (10 SB) 2s, Qh, 9c (5 players)SB checks, BB bets, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.Turn: (7 BB) Tc (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, Hero calls.River: (11 BB) Kc (2 players)BB bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 13 BB

[Vade]

Not really possible to fold this without it seeming weakNice hand, ya lost though

[cdddc75]

Tough fold. Any king, jack, set, or two clubs beats you.With second pair top kicker, I might reluctantly fold.Maybe.

[Absolute]

Posted: Mon, Apr 25th, 2005 2:20 Post subject: is it possible to fold this hand? Yes, you just click that fold button. Last I checked.

[BetItAll33]

Absolute said:

Posted: Mon, Apr 25th, 2005 2:20 Post subject: is it possible to fold this hand? Yes, you just click that fold button. Last I checked.

When, exactly, would you click that fold button? :?

[RISEorFall]

Absolute said:

Yes, you just click that fold button. Last I checked.

Yep. One card to a straight, 3 to a flush, and an overcard on board. Not much he's betting that you're beating right there. Where'd that fold button go?then again, pot may be big enough to warrant a call, but most of the time you're beat here.

[Absolute]

BetItAll33 said:

Absolute said:

Posted: Mon, Apr 25th, 2005 2:20 Post subject: is it possible to fold this hand? Yes, you just click that fold button. Last I checked.

When, exactly, would you click that fold button? :?

Not anytime during this hand.Information on the player might change my mind.

[RISEorFall]

BetItAll33 said:

When, exactly, would you click that fold button? :?

His raise on the 10 is suspicious. 10-10 trips or K-J or J-8 straights seems probable. I still might 3-bet it and see. On the river there's not much you're ahead of. probably not the best line...I'm still working on my limit game.

[BeanGW]

[quote="BetItAll33"]BB has VP$IP of 48% after the first 70 hands at the table. Other than that, no read.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) [url="http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi"]converter[/url]Preflop: Hero is CO with Ad, Qs. 3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, MP2 calls.How much was your preflop raise? If it was less than a 3x BB, you could be up against a lot... by the number of callers it seems like it was a 2x BB. Just a guess. Flop: (10 SB) 2s, Qh, 9c (5 players)SB checks, BB bets, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls. BB bet here is actually more suspicious to me than the check raise on the turn. I wouldn't start out firing against that field from BB unless I had a set or two pair and wanted to push out drawing hands. If your preflop raise was 2xBB I would actually put the guy on either pocket 2's for the set or MAYBE J-10. I think if he had pocket 9's or better he may have reraised you preflop to thin out the field... but it really depends on his play.Turn: (7 BB) Tc (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, Hero calls. The check raise here is interesting, considering the drawing possibilities. Although the flop doesn't give him reason to believe you are chasing a flush, and your bet after his check confirms this... he has to be worried about your straight. If he was going for the straight he'd just call. May as well fold right here. You pre-flop bet, post-flop bet, and bet again, and this guy is still firing back at you. He's not bluffing. Get out and save yourself some chips for later.[b]River: (11 BB) Kc (2 players)BB bets, Hero calls.[b] At this point BB bets, and you should just give it up if you haven't already... Unless you are certain he'd keep firing with a third button pair. You've shown him that you are in this pot, and are going to look him up. He is firing anyway, so he doesn't care. I'm putting him on the set of 2's or 9's, or he backed in to the straight with Q-J. If seeing his hand will provide you with info you can use later, OK call. Otherwise, not worth it.

[Swift_Psycho]

How much was your preflop raise? If it was less than a 3x BB, you could be up against a lot... by the number of callers it seems like it was a 2x BB. Just a guess. Yes, it was 2x the BB. That's generally all you can raise to in limit.

[JaysonWeber]

I dont put him on a striaght... and if he raised like a wildman with a flush draw on 4th well.. Keep playing with him. I guess I would pot him on 99 or... because his VP%IP is so high Q-10. If he beat you with the straight or flush betting like he did WOW, I'm real suprised.I don't think you can fold this.theres 12 in the pot at the end. 1-12 odds, can you beat this guy 1 in 12 times? I sadly click the call button, knowing I probobly lost. If he re-raised you on the flop what would you have done? I think you're stuck w/ this hand the way it was played.

[BeanGW]

Swift_Psycho said:

How much was your preflop raise? If it was less than a 3x BB, you could be up against a lot... by the number of callers it seems like it was a 2x BB. Just a guess. Yes, it was 2x the BB. That's generally all you can raise to in limit.

Wooops... my bad... been playin too much PL/NL lately. Anyways, I still think he would have reraised you with 10's preflop if he's a LAG and wanted to clear out all the limpers and potential drawing hands...So I'm gonna stick with my prediction that he hit a set: 2's or 9's.

[wrto4556]

Without reads I can't find a fold anywhere...with reads, I can find a fold on the river.

[Absolute]

wrto4556 said:

Without reads I can't find a fold anywhere...with reads, I can find a fold on the river.

word

[RISEorFall]

wrto4556 said:

Without reads I can't find a fold anywhere...with reads, I can find a fold on the river.

I don't need a read here. I don't see what he could be check/raising the turn and then betting the river with here that you can beat, except a stone cold bluff. I think he might've made 2 pair with a 9-10. Even if not, I still don't see what he has that you can beat.

[akishore]

what??how can you even consider folding anywhere in this hand??well played...aseem

[BetItAll33]

Nachochip shows [ Qc, 9s ] two pairs, queens and nines.betitall33 doesn't show [ Ad, Qs ] a pair of queens.Nachochip wins $12.25 from the main pot with two pairs, queens and nines.

[RISEorFall]

akishore said:

what??how can you even consider folding anywhere in this hand??well played...aseem

Because there is 3 to a flush, 4 to a straight, and an overcard on the board and my opponent is betting into me on the river. I have 2nd pair. Except a stone cold bluff or a Q with a worse kicker, I don't see what he's betting at me with here. Unless the pot is big enough to call one more on the end, I don't see how 90% of the time you're not beat.

[akishore]

RISEorFall said:

akishore said:

what??how can you even consider folding anywhere in this hand??well played...aseem

Because there is 3 to a flush, 4 to a straight, and an overcard on the board and my opponent is betting into me on the river. I have 2nd pair. Except a stone cold bluff or a Q with a worse kicker, I don't see what he's betting at me with here. Unless the pot is big enough to call one more on the end, I don't see how 90% of the time you're not beat.

i guess... but...the only possible folds would be on the turn or river, and i don't think either place is good. on the turn, you're getting 10-to-1, and i think you have some good outs. against 9-2, you have aces, queens, and tens. against Q-2, you have aces and nines. against Q-9, you have aces. it's only against a set to which you're drawing dead. it'll cost you 2 more bets to see a showdown, and i think you can safely call on the turn. if you can fold TPTK there, kudos, but i don't think i would.maybe that's a leak in my game, though. maybe i marry TPTK too much against aggression, but i'm not sure (i have engrained in my head the image of TPWK raising into me thinking i have nothing, and scooping a nice pot which i could have made bigger if i had kept raising, so maybe that's why i tend to call two bets to see a showdown).on the river, you're getting 12-to-1. it's just a plain crying call, i think.plus, don't forget--fish are either overly passive or overly aggressive in general, and since your read was that he's a LAG basically, i don't think you should give him too much credit necessarily. wouldn't he pull the same moves with Q-8?i don't know. i don't think i could fold anywhere in that hand.aseem

[wrto4556]

he check raised you on the big streets. Folding this river against an unkown player wouldn't even be that bad. I would just do it for sanity. It's obvious your drawing. maybe you can get lucky and suck out on two pair. With a read that this guy plays ABC poker, I call the turn and fold the river UI. Maybe even fold the turn if i'm playing good enough...like, hardly ever. :-)