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#1 obs

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 04:33 PM

Villian is a LAG. Something around 50% PFR and 80% VPIP.Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP1 with Q:heart:, Q:club:. 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.Flop: (16 SB) 3:spade:, 6:spade:, 6:diamond: (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls.Turn: (12.50 BB) 3:club: (3 players)SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls.River: (18.50 BB) 5:club: (2 players)Hero bets, Button calls.Final Pot: 20.50 BB

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 04:39 PM

What's his postflop aggression factor?Looks good, btw.
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Posted 24 April 2005 - 04:40 PM

Hmm...I'm reading SSHE right now, and this falls under the combination of hands where raising doesn't protect you and where the pot is too big.SSHE says that this would be the kind of hand where you really can't protect. Hence you should wait to raise until on the turn. You'll notice particularly that the SB probably had a flush draw. Hence he had enough outs to call of your raises on the flop, but not to call the raise on the turn.As contrarian as it seems, it would appear that you should just call the raise on the flop, and then attack the turn.I'd like to see what others would think though
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Posted 24 April 2005 - 04:57 PM

wrto4556 said:

What's his postflop aggression factor?Looks good, btw.
Was high as well. I put him on a busted flush draw or an overpair.

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 05:11 PM

Vade said:

Hmm...I'm reading SSHE right now, and this falls under the combination of hands where raising doesn't protect you and where the pot is too big.SSHE says that this would be the kind of hand where you really can't protect. Hence you should wait to raise until on the turn. You'll notice particularly that the SB probably had a flush draw. Hence he had enough outs to call of your raises on the flop, but not to call the raise on the turn.As contrarian as it seems, it would appear that you should just call the raise on the flop, and then attack the turn.I'd like to see what others would think though
We don't have the correct relative position to the pfrer to wait until the turn. We can't protect our hand so we should get in as many bets as possible for value.
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Posted 24 April 2005 - 05:14 PM

Thanks!Sorry to quote the book, but I learn better that way. I'm about a month away from clearing this damn FT bonus, then I'll be playing limit (can't wait-should be fun :D)
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Posted 24 April 2005 - 05:25 PM

I can't imagine anything other than tens through aces. He was in too early a position with not enough limpers to be raising with A/X suited, which seems like one of the only other plausible hands besides Aces or Kings that has you beat.SB may very well have been on a flush draw. He saw it 3bet on the flop and saw a raise with the initial raiser still to act after him, and since the board paired twice, he didnt want to put in 3 or 4 big bets on a flush draw when he's potentially drawing dead.When the button begins to call, you're good. Could be A/K of spades or pockets below queens. If he did have you beat, he missed out on a few bets.

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 07:04 PM

Yea, he had 99




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