bstark94 0 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 2/5 NL live-gameStack sizes -Hero ~500Villain ~ 400Villian is kind of a loose idiot. Played with several times and have consistently beaten him, known to lose his *** chasing flushes.Pre-flop:Villian limps in UTG, two more callers MP, I look down at A Spade 10 Club and complete, BB checks.Pot size = $25Flop: A Heart Q Spade 4 ClubI lead out for $20, figuring that a stronger ace would have raised pre-flop.BB folds, Villain calls, other two fold.Turn: 7 ClubI don't like that villain smooth calls but I still think i have the best hand, so I lead out for $40, he smooth callsRiver K ClubI this point I really don't like my hand much, but I want to showdown, b/c I think there's a decent chance he's holding a weaker ace, but now I'm also afraid of KQ, or a A Club X Club backing into a flush. So I throw out a reasonable blocking bet of $50, hoping to get called, villain insta-raises to $150. Hero ?.... Link to post Share on other sites
whatgreatis 0 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 I would have check/called the river, that keeps the pot small incase he decides to raise you (like he did) and it induces a bluff a lot of the time from loose opponants. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerinc 0 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 I don't think 50 is enough of a bet on the river to block anything. It stinks of weakness. 85 would do the job a little better.Though this is definitely a check call to me, I was just trying to pretend the question you were asking was exactly how much I should bet if I wanted to fire off a blocker bet. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Yeah I think c/c is a lot better than a blocker bet here. The blocker bet never prevents anything that wants to raise from raising here. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Thinking you're ahead isn't really sufficient reason in itself to bet the turn. I don't hate it, but you're making the pot big out of position with a marginal hand.I don't like blocking bets in general, but if you're going to make one, it makes sense to fold when you are raised. Otherwise, it's inferior in all cases to check/call. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 I this point I really don't like my hand much, but I want to showdown, b/c I think there's a decent chance he's holding a weaker ace, but now I'm also afraid of KQ, or a A Club X Club backing into a flush. So I throw out a reasonable blocking bet of $50, hoping to get called, villain insta-raises to $150. Hero ?....Check muck? Everything got there on you. I don't know that you can call a whole lot. I probably would have defined our hands better on the turn or check checked it. Link to post Share on other sites
shay_41_41 0 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Well, you said youve played with him a bunch of times, does he often smooth call on the flop and the turn than bluff the river? Does he often slow play his big hands until the river? If you dont have a specific read on him I think you have to fold, theres just not much you can beat. I think check calling the river is a better play, because he could make a bet on the river with a smaller ace, but I dont think hed reraise on the river with a smaller ace. Link to post Share on other sites
bstark94 0 Posted August 27, 2007 Author Share Posted August 27, 2007 I folded, this isn't the kind of guy that bluffs small. His bluffs are usually huge overbets, this one reeked of trying to get paid. Normally I would check-call here, but as I play with the same people quite a bit (only local cardroom), I've been trying to mix up my play a little. I think if I check here, he probably still bets more than $50, so I think I got away pretty cheap.Do you guys like the use of blocking bets? Or much prefer a check-call? I think against better players the blocking bet is probably more effective, and I'm not sure this guy qualifies. Link to post Share on other sites
whatgreatis 0 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 I folded, this isn't the kind of guy that bluffs small. His bluffs are usually huge overbets, this one reeked of trying to get paid. Normally I would check-call here, but as I play with the same people quite a bit (only local cardroom), I've been trying to mix up my play a little. I think if I check here, he probably still bets more than $50, so I think I got away pretty cheap.Do you guys like the use of blocking bets? Or much prefer a check-call? I think against better players the blocking bet is probably more effective, and I'm not sure this guy qualifies.I use the blocking bet for three reasons:1. Betting my draw in a multi-way pot to desguise my hand and see the turn at the right price2. To test my oppenants strength3. Possibly win the hand without a showdownI dont block bet a lot without a drawing hand. If I have a made hand I prefer the check/call to the blocking bet. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 I use the blocking bet for three reasons:1. Betting my draw in a multi-way pot to desguise my hand and see the turn at the right price2. To test my oppenants strength3. Possibly win the hand without a showdownI dont block bet a lot without a drawing hand. If I have a made hand I prefer the check/call to the blocking bet.I uset teh blockin bet to leanr hwo to spell in the Engilhs Lanugageweasgs Link to post Share on other sites
whatgreatis 0 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 I uset teh blockin bet to leanr hwo to spell in the Engilhs Lanugageweasgsyeahhh I know. The worst part of it is that I'm a writer by occupation. Thank god for spell check. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 I folded, this isn't the kind of guy that bluffs small. His bluffs are usually huge overbets, this one reeked of trying to get paid. Normally I would check-call here, but as I play with the same people quite a bit (only local cardroom), I've been trying to mix up my play a little. I think if I check here, he probably still bets more than $50, so I think I got away pretty cheap.Do you guys like the use of blocking bets? Or much prefer a check-call? I think against better players the blocking bet is probably more effective, and I'm not sure this guy qualifies.If you check and he bets 150, do you call? Why or why not? (I hated those questions in school.)What hands are there with which he would call the 50, but bet more than 50 if you had checked? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Do you guys like the use of blocking bets? Or much prefer a check-call? I think against better players the blocking bet is probably more effective, and I'm not sure this guy qualifies.I mostly use blocking bets to try to make my gutterball draws cheaper on the turn and test the water for a river bluff if I miss. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 yeahhh I know. The worst part of it is that I'm a writer by occupation. Thank god for spell check.Word. Without spell check, most of us would be in a world of hurt.Even though Bill Gates is the devil, he did give one good thing to the people! Link to post Share on other sites
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