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#21 gfdsa146

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Posted 24 August 2007 - 09:22 PM

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 06:16 PM

View Postgfdsa146, on Friday, August 24th, 2007, 4:40 AM, said:

if it is heads up, ramming and jamming with a low vs an obvious very strong high hand that you cannot draw to scoop will net you no profit at showdown. But if its 3-handed, ramming and jamming will extract a SB from one of the strictly going high hands on each street assuming they c/c, amirite?If it is heads up, ramming and jamming with a low /w a scoop draw is a good thing, is it not? I mean if the two of you end up checking it down to 7th street and you make your scoop draw then and then you put in a bet, you've only managed to get 1 extra bet out of the villan. But if you picked up your low draw on 5th street and managed to bet at it and have him c/c the whole way, thats a whopping 3 BBs you get out of the villan (as opposed to 1 BB). If you bet on the come and miss, then the two of you split with a miniscule loss to the rake. Hell, if you keep betting from 5th to 7th and the villan RAISES and then you make your hand, you'll be getting more than 3 BB than him. Dont forget about the tilt you will induce when you table you hand and show him how aggressively you bet /w only a low.I am by no means a stud 8/b expert, and i think that i've found myself to be a losing player ever since i've started playing. Maybe someone can explain to me why from what i've posted?
What you posted makes perfect sense, so you are not a losing player because of that. You probably overplay low hands. Many people do.
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 08:54 PM

View Postahosang, on Monday, September 10th, 2007, 9:16 PM, said:

What you posted makes perfect sense, so you are not a losing player because of that. You probably overplay low hands. Many people do.
it's tough to overplay low MADE hands unless you're not watching others' boards, but it's very possible to overplay low draws if you're not careful.
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 10:24 PM

View Postbassplayer45459, on Thursday, August 23rd, 2007, 12:12 PM, said:

What are your opinions. I know in stud hi/lo if you are three handed or heads up in a pot and you have a low made and they are strictly going high and you are drawing to a flush, inside straight, or have an open ended straight, it is typical to ram and jam it with the low locked up and drawing to scoop. Some people say this is only appropriate in tournaments because there is no rake and it is dumb to do it in cash tables because of the split and the high rake...what are your opinions...i usually still ram and jam
i thought the half the point of the game was to get into a situation where you have the low locked and are drawing for the high. you then get in as many bets as you can. you should also play the same way if your board looks like you are in that situation but you only have the low. you do this to get them to either fold the best high hand too much or pay off with the second best high hand too much. if the rake is bad enough where doing this is not profitable then you shouldn't be playing in that game. i dont know about stud8, but i do know of a plo8 game on the internet where the rake is so bad that you need to take it into consideration in these situations, so a stud8 game that bad might exist. it would probably be a 2/4 game which generally have the worst rake structure of limit games.
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Posted 12 September 2007 - 12:17 PM

general strat question.What do you do if you have made an 8-7 low on 5th street and you are facing someone with a better low draw and another high hand? what about if you're facing a better low draw and TWO other high hands?Do you raise to try to push out the better low draw? or do you check/call to try to get the better low draw to chase and hopefully miss?If you have an 8-7 low on 5th street, do you suck too much to be playing stud 8/b?edit: and you have no scoop possibility.

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Posted 12 September 2007 - 12:19 PM

Another strat question.You have 3-4 down and 6-7 up on 4th street. Its been bet and then raised to you.What do you do if your 5's are completely live? What if one of them are burned?Two?3?4?

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Posted 12 September 2007 - 12:26 PM

View Postgfdsa146, on Wednesday, September 12th, 2007, 3:17 PM, said:

general strat question.What do you do if you have made an 8-7 low on 5th street and you are facing someone with a better low draw and another high hand? what about if you're facing a better low draw and TWO other high hands?Do you raise to try to push out the better low draw? or do you check/call to try to get the better low draw to chase and hopefully miss?If you have an 8-7 low on 5th street, do you suck too much to be playing stud 8/b?edit: and you have no scoop possibility.
that one. :)an 87 low will come around a lot, but MOST of the time if there are multiple other lows in the pot, it should be because you caught the 8 on 4th or 5th. a good rule of thumb is to stick to 3 to a 7 if there are other lows behind you on 3rd.
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Posted 12 September 2007 - 12:27 PM

View Postgfdsa146, on Wednesday, September 12th, 2007, 3:19 PM, said:

Another strat question.You have 3-4 down and 6-7 up on 4th street. Its been bet and then raised to you.What do you do if your 5's are completely live? What if one of them are burned?Two?3?4?
depends on what i'm probably up against, but that's a goddamn monster if all your fives are live unless someone appears to be drawing to a better-than-67 low.one five dead, i prob still go nuts. two or three, i might slow down, depending. it's tough to say without knowing board textures of the villains in this pot.
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Posted 13 September 2007 - 11:55 AM

A hand similar like this came up at the micro tables, but i didnt save the HH, so i dont have it down exactlyi forgot what i started off with, but for somehow i ended up with a 5-6-7-8 on 5th with some random high card. I think i was up against 3 other people, one going low, two going high. Only one of my 4s were burned, 9's were live, three 4's were live. I rammed and jammed this, being check/called by the others till the river. Do you agree with the way this was played?and another thing with regards to starting handsdo you play something like 2-5-7 because its drawing to a better than average low(7-high low)? or would you fold the 2-5-7 and play something like the 3-5-7 instead because it can make a 3-to-7 straight?

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Posted 16 September 2007 - 06:57 PM

View Postgfdsa146, on Thursday, September 13th, 2007, 2:55 PM, said:

A hand similar like this came up at the micro tables, but i didnt save the HH, so i dont have it down exactlyi forgot what i started off with, but for somehow i ended up with a 5-6-7-8 on 5th with some random high card. I think i was up against 3 other people, one going low, two going high. Only one of my 4s were burned, 9's were live, three 4's were live. I rammed and jammed this, being check/called by the others till the river. Do you agree with the way this was played?and another thing with regards to starting handsdo you play something like 2-5-7 because its drawing to a better than average low(7-high low)? or would you fold the 2-5-7 and play something like the 3-5-7 instead because it can make a 3-to-7 straight?
257 is almost always playable, 357 obv has more value though, due to straight possibilities. i generally play any 3-low-w/ace or 3-low-connector for a raise, and limp other 7low draws.not sure about the hand, from what i can tell i cap?
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Posted 16 September 2007 - 07:03 PM

View Postcheckymcfold, on Sunday, September 16th, 2007, 9:57 PM, said:

not sure about the hand, from what i can tell i cap?
Sounds about right.
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