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[uncooper]

Long heads up battle with a bunch of swings, this guy is better than me, I decide to go with it. Need critique on entire hand. Converter isn't working for me, if a mod could edit this with converted hand, or if anyone else posts the converted hand I will edit myself.PokerStars Game #11550317664: Tournament #58602476, $1.00+$0.10 Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit - Level VIII (400/800) - 2007/08/18 - 05:04:58 (ET)Table '58602476 1' 6-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: hh123 (4020 in chips) Seat 4: danny purse (4980 in chips) danny purse: posts small blind 200hh123: posts big blind 400*** DEALING HANDS ***Dealt to danny purse [7s Td 6d Ah 3s]danny purse: raises 400 to 800hh123: raises 400 to 1200danny purse: raises 400 to 1600Betting is cappedhh123: calls 400*** FIRST DRAW ***hh123: discards 2 cardsdanny purse: discards 2 cards [Td Ah]Dealt to danny purse [7s 6d 3s] [6s 4h]hh123: bets 400danny purse: raises 400 to 800hh123: raises 400 to 1200danny purse: raises 400 to 1600Betting is cappedhh123: calls 400*** SECOND DRAW ***hh123: discards 1 carddanny purse: discards 1 card [6s]Dealt to danny purse [7s 6d 3s 4h] [Js]hh123: bets 800danny purse: raises 800 to 1600hh123: calls 20 and is all-in*** THIRD DRAW ***hh123: stands pat danny purse: discards 1 card [Js]

[sabes99]

i think you played it just about perfect

[checkymcfold]

cap is terrible--like, TERRIBLE--predraw. raise with a bad 7 draw after you get donkbet into (he's saying he's improved) is also bad. other streets are standard.

[uncooper]

checkymcfold, on Saturday, August 18th, 2007, 9:13 PM, said:

cap is terrible--like, TERRIBLE--predraw. raise with a bad 7 draw after you get donkbet into (he's saying he's improved) is also bad. other streets are standard.

So I should raise-call predraw? Call after the 1st draw? And raise after the 2nd draw? Using this line, we'd both be deeper after the 2nd draw, should I raise-call again or cap if (when) he reraises this time?What kind of hands do you need to cap predraw heads up, 4 cards to a smooth 8 or better?

[checkymcfold]

uncooper, on Saturday, August 18th, 2007, 8:59 PM, said:

So I should raise-call predraw? Call after the 1st draw? And raise after the 2nd draw? Using this line, we'd both be deeper after the 2nd draw, should I raise-call again or cap if (when) he reraises this time?What kind of hands do you need to cap predraw heads up, 4 cards to a smooth 8 or better?

i would raise/call predraw, yes. and call after 1st draw, and raise/call the 2nd, breaking an 810 or worse with a redraw and raise/folding a 10J.as for the raise/calling things, it really depends on the opponent. there are a lot of guys that i try to snow or make them break almost every time. there are others that i never do either against, so it's really tough to say one way or the other. i tend to play very aggressively, so i'd lean toward raise/capping the 2nd draw in position with a jack and 7 redraw if he still pats. were you OOP, i'd probably just c/c and toss the jack.HU i cap any 3 card draw with a deuce, sometimes stuff like 3x8 if x ain't a seven. of course, i mix this up a lot, so that's just a standard guideline. this is also read dependent, too, since you'd be the one that would know if you should be capping 358 or something if its ahead of a villain's range. sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

[uncooper]

Five hands earlier:PokerStars Game #11550302256: Tournament #58602476, $1.00+$0.10 Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit - Level VIII (400/800) - 2007/08/18 - 05:02:38 (ET)Table '58602476 1' 6-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: hh123 (7010 in chips) Seat 4: danny purse (1990 in chips) hh123: posts small blind 200danny purse: posts big blind 400*** DEALING HANDS ***Dealt to danny purse [3c 4s 4h 2h 4d]hh123: calls 200danny purse: raises 400 to 800hh123: calls 400*** FIRST DRAW ***danny purse: discards 2 cards [4h 4d]Dealt to danny purse [3c 4s 2h] [5c 9h]hh123: discards 2 cardsdanny purse: bets 400hh123: calls 400*** SECOND DRAW ***danny purse: stands pat on [3c 4s 2h 5c 9h]hh123: discards 1 carddanny purse: bets 790 and is all-inhh123: calls 790*** THIRD DRAW ***danny purse: stands pat on [3c 4s 2h 5c 9h]hh123: discards 1 cardAfter he takes two cards and just calls, I'm not breaking the 9 OOP, right? Sorry if these are ridiculously standard/obv.

[checkymcfold]

that second one's totally standard, yes .basically if you are pretty sure that your opponent is going to be drawing on the end, pat a jack or better. sometimes they'll trick you and you won't get a chance to draw to beat them if they play passively in position and then pat the end behind, but that's generally a big mistake on their part and they're missing value if you recognize the strength of that sort of line and don't pay them off.

[bassplayer45459]

anyone stand pat with the jack low?

[uncooper]

We are supposed to assume that he made precisely a J8, AND that he stood pat with it OOP? After he improved and bet every previous street?

[checkymcfold]

bassplayer45459, on Tuesday, August 21st, 2007, 2:54 PM, said:

anyone stand pat with the jack low?

after he pats in front that would be absolutely horrid. we only win if he has a J9 (which wouldn't really make sense as played) or is snowing.

[bassplayer45459]

Sorry, i misread it, i thought he drew one on the last street and you had a J low made