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Posted 23 April 2005 - 01:53 PM

Here's a few hands I'd like to get some feedback on.Hand #1Here's a hand I think I played horribly.Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [Jh], [Qh]. 1 fold, Hero calls.With 4 other people in the pot and my calling 1 more bet (with 9.5-1 odds) that closes this round of betting I'm ok with the call here.Flop: (10.50 SB) [Kd], [Tc], [5d] (5 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.Calling two cold here was just plain dumb. I more than likely have at most 6 outs w/ the two diamonds on board so even if I hit a clean A or 9 on the turn I can lose on the river. Originally I was going to check raise if enough people called but with it two to me and the original bettor still to act I think I should have folded here.Turn: (10.25 BB) [5c] (5 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $3.5 (All-In), MP1 folds, Button calls, Hero calls.Here's another good spot to fold that I didn't. With the board pairing and two bets back to me, there's a good chance I'm drawing dead here. Even if I'm not I don't really have odds to call with only 6 outs.River: (16.75 BB) [3s] (4 players, 1 all-in)Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, Button checks.Final Pot: 16.75 BBUgh. I wish I could have this hand back.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hand #2I'm new to the table and don't have reads on any of the players yet.Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [6h], [Kh]. 4 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: (4 SB) [Th], [7s], [5h] (4 players)Hero bets, Hero calls, CO folds.I get a free flop with a suited K and get a 4 flush with an over. I lead here as I'm pretty new to the table and not sure if I'll be able to get a check raise. The button raises so I figure I have to catch the K or the flush as I'm guessing he has the ten or a set.Turn: (4.50 BB) [Jh] (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.I lead with the flush since once again I don't know if the button will bet if checked to him with the scare card of the flush completing. He raises so I figure him for a set, 10J or A10 or AJ with the A of hearts. I reraise, and he caps. Does he have the A high flush? Possible but I think there are more hands he would cap here with than just that so I'm ahead enough of the time to not worry too much.River: (12.50 BB) [Kd] (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.No 4th heart and the board doesn't pair. I figure I'm good and lead out and get raised again. At this point I think I may be beat only call.Final Pot: 16.50 BBShould I have slowed down sooner? Should I have 3-bet the river? I'm not sure and would like your opinion.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hand #3Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [5s], [5h]. 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.Flop: (4 SB) [3h], [3d], [2d] (4 players)SB bets, MP1 folds, CO folds, SB calls.Free flop with 55 in the BB and it comes all unders. The SB leads into me. I think I'm good enough I raise to get rid of overcards and possibly a flush draw. Me not getting 3-bet helps indicate he doesn't have the 3.Turn: (4 BB) [3c] (2 players)SB bets, Hero calls.This is a good card for me as it makes the SB having a 3 even less likely. Getting bet into worries me though as now I'm wondering if he has a bigger pocket pair. Should I have raised this?River: (6 BB) [6c] (2 players)SB checks, Hero checks.I think I missed a bet here. The SB checking should have indicated I probably had him beat but he might call with just overs at this point.Final Pot: 6 BBHow'd I do?Zara

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 02:03 PM

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Here's a few hands I'd like to get some feedback on.Hand #1Here's a hand I think I played horribly.Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [Jh], [Qh].    1 fold, Hero calls.With 4 other people in the pot and my calling 1 more bet (with 9.5-1 odds) that closes this round of betting I'm ok with the call here.Flop: (10.50 SB) [Kd], [Tc], [5d] (5 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.Calling two cold here was just plain dumb. I more than likely have at most 6 outs w/ the two diamonds on board so even if I hit a clean A or 9 on the turn I can lose on the river. Originally I was going to check raise if enough people called but with it two to me and the original bettor still to act I think I should have folded here.Turn: (10.25 BB) [5c] (5 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $3.5 (All-In), MP1 folds, Button calls, Hero calls.Here's another good spot to fold that I didn't. With the board pairing and two bets back to me, there's a good chance I'm drawing dead here. Even if I'm not I don't really have odds to call with only 6 outs.River: (16.75 BB) [3s] (4 players, 1 all-in)Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, Button checks.Final Pot: 16.75 BBUgh. I wish I could have this hand back.Lol, yeah, at least you recognized it was bad :D---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hand #2I'm new to the table and don't have reads on any of the players yet.Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [6h], [Kh].    4 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: (4 SB) [Th], [7s], [5h] (4 players)Hero bets, Hero calls, CO folds.I get a free flop with a suited K and get a 4 flush with an over. I lead here as I'm pretty new to the table and not sure if I'll be able to get a check raise. The button raises so I figure I have to catch the K or the flush as I'm guessing he has the ten or a set.Good bet hereTurn: (4.50 BB) [Jh] (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.I lead with the flush since once again I don't know if the button will bet if checked to him with the scare card of the flush completing. He raises so I figure him for a set, 10J or A10 or AJ with the A of hearts. I reraise, and he caps. Does he have the A high flush? Possible but I think there are more hands he would cap here with than just that so I'm ahead enough of the time to not worry too much.Eh, it got capped, that's the result you wantedRiver: (12.50 BB) [Kd] (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.No 4th heart and the board doesn't pair. I figure I'm good and lead out and get raised again. At this point I think I may be beat only call.Check/call the second nuts.  Don't forget it's the second nuts, and you were not the one cappingFinal Pot: 16.50 BBShould I have slowed down sooner? Should I have 3-bet the river? I'm not sure and would like your opinion.Eh, I think you played this fine--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hand #3Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [5s], [5h].    2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.Flop: (4 SB) [3h], [3d], [2d] (4 players)SB bets, MP1 folds, CO folds, SB calls.Free flop with 55 in the BB and it comes all unders. The SB leads into me. I think I'm good enough I raise to get rid of overcards and possibly a flush draw. Me not getting 3-bet helps indicate he doesn't have the 3.I like the raiseTurn: (4 BB) [3c] (2 players)SB bets, Hero calls.This is a good card for me as it makes the SB having a 3 even less likely. Getting bet into worries me though as now I'm wondering if he has a bigger pocket pair. Should I have raised this?Raising is very marginal here.  He could have 66 or 77 or 88 as wellRiver: (6 BB) [6c] (2 players)SB checks, Hero checks.I think I missed a bet here. The SB checking should have indicated I probably had him beat but he might call with just overs at this point.You're only going to get action from hands that have you beat.  It's also a very small pot, checking is fineFinal Pot: 6 BBHow'd I do?Zara
Pretty well :) Just don't forget that the second nuts is only the second nuts on a capped turn. You also recognized mistakes that you made in that first terrible hand. We'll pretend you were watching the NFL draft or something and forgot you had no real hand
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Posted 23 April 2005 - 03:09 PM

The first hand is fine. You're priced in the whole way.The second hand I think you should 3-bet the river. And I don't think it's very close.The third one is ok, imo.
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Posted 24 April 2005 - 09:09 AM

Hand #1looks fine, so I'll go onto a hand where I can say something. .---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hand #2I'm new to the table and don't have reads on any of the players yet.Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is SB with [6h], [Kh]. 4 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: (4 SB) [Th], [7s], [5h] (4 players)Hero bets, Hero calls, CO folds.I get a free flop with a suited K and get a 4 flush with an over. I lead here as I'm pretty new to the table and not sure if I'll be able to get a check raise. The button raises so I figure I have to catch the K or the flush as I'm guessing he has the ten or a set.I don't like Leading this. I think a checkcall here is in order so you can get as many people as possible into it. this is why completing with any two suited can be a problem at times as you want multiway going for it. I have no probelm with your completion. I'm just pointing out why it can't be a hard and fast ruleTurn: (4.50 BB) [Jh] (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.I lead with the flush since once again I don't know if the button will bet if checked to him with the scare card of the flush completing. He raises so I figure him for a set, 10J or A10 or AJ with the A of hearts. I reraise, and he caps. Does he have the A high flush? Possible but I think there are more hands he would cap here with than just that so I'm ahead enough of the time to not worry too much.nope fine. this donk could very well be overplaying his hand badlyRiver: (12.50 BB) [Kd] (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.No 4th heart and the board doesn't pair. I figure I'm good and lead out and get raised again. At this point I think I may be beat only call.I'd threebet it here tooFinal Pot: 16.50 BBShould I have slowed down sooner? Should I have 3-bet the river? I'm not sure and would like your opinion.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hand #3Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [5s], [5h]. 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.Flop: (4 SB) [3h], [3d], [2d] (4 players)SB bets, MP1 folds, CO folds, SB calls.Free flop with 55 in the BB and it comes all unders. The SB leads into me. I think I'm good enough I raise to get rid of overcards and possibly a flush draw. Me not getting 3-bet helps indicate he doesn't have the 3.Turn: (4 BB) [3c] (2 players)SB bets, Hero calls.This is a good card for me as it makes the SB having a 3 even less likely. Getting bet into worries me though as now I'm wondering if he has a bigger pocket pair. Should I have raised this?I'd be mad tempted to raise it here tooRiver: (6 BB) [6c] (2 players)SB checks, Hero checks.I think I missed a bet here. The SB checking should have indicated I probably had him beat but he might call with just overs at this point.Final Pot: 6 BBHow'd I do?Zara
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Posted 24 April 2005 - 05:16 PM

Hand 1: I don't understand why you think you played this wrong.Hand 2: check/call the flop. Three-bet river.Hand 3: Raise the turn, and if he doesn't 3 bet it (as he didnt on the flop), bet the river.




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