MR_BIZKITZ, on Thursday, August 16th, 2007, 7:21 PM, said:
I have been a doing really well in PLO for a while now but everything goes wrong when I sit at a O8B table. I feel I have a good understanding of omaha in general but my results haven't been that great in the split format. What are some common mistakes that even a good player might make when starting to play O8B? Common leaks? Biggest differences in the two games beside the obvious? BTW thankyou for doing this steve!Davis
i think i can field this one if steve's away :)o8, just like other hi-low games, is generally all about scooping. in certain spots and at certain tables (mostly limit games--almost all plo8 pots get hu if you notice), you'll be able to win by virtue of half pots, but that's very rare.so where does that leave us? you have two ways to scoop--bet people out and take it uncontested, or play hands that, when they hit, get the whole pot. as for the former, you'll get a good idea as to what sorts of spots are bluffable just by observing hands--paired flops in shorthanded pots, one-low flops: these are the sorts of flops that it's unlikely anyone has anything, so you might be able to scoop with a bet or two. as for the latter, this is going to be hands like multi-wheel cards that make a2345 for a high and low as well as all high cards which scoop when they hit big--10JQK, 910JQ, AKKQ, etc., sometimes even any hand with a big pair if you can get in cheaply to hope for a set or overboat. hands like AKQ2 or A10J3 are multiway-valueable for obvious reasons
.in the move from plo to plo8, a lot of players tend to overvalue hands that are very nice in plo--like 6789 or 4567--that, when they make straights, win only half pots because someone MUST have a better low almost all the time. it's also common to play half pots too passively in shorthanded plo8 out of fear of being quartered rather than being aggressive and giving yourself a chance to take down the whole thing, all the while creating an image that gets you paid off significantly more often. position is EXTREMELY valuable in plo8, even more so than in plo. and finally, DO NOT DRAW AT HALF POTS IF YOU ARE PLAYING PLO8. what that does is effectively cut your drawing equity in half--if there's 2 diamonds out there for your AKQJdd hand, but they're both low diamonds, you really only have 3 outs to that nut flush since anything else is worth only half a pot as it will bring a low, etc.the limit variant of o8, though, is much less about position, and unless you're playing 6max, also a lot less about pushing people out of pots (it's rarely going to work--it takes a very talented player to ever be able to take something like a bet/fold line in LO8), and more about utilizing strong hand selection to make your decisions easier on later streets. as you improve, though, you'll be able to open up a lot once you get a feel for what players do what when going after either end of a pot.hope that helps :)edit: steve, do you want others offering thoughts in here or no? i can shut up if need be.