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#41 steve7stud

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Posted 16 August 2007 - 04:32 PM

View PostMR_BIZKITZ, on Thursday, August 16th, 2007, 4:21 PM, said:

I have been a doing really well in PLO for a while now but everything goes wrong when I sit at a O8B table. I feel I have a good understanding of omaha in general but my results haven't been that great in the split format. What are some common mistakes that even a good player might make when starting to play O8B? Common leaks? Biggest differences in the two games beside the obvious? BTW thankyou for doing this steve!Davis
I had the exact same problem in reverse. I learned o8 first, then plo. Split games in general are difficult for a lot of people to understand. I know a lot of world class players who still aren't good or great at split games. The general idea of a split game is to lock up the low with the ability to free roll on the high. If you take it a step further, the obvious would be to scoop a pot. People often are misled by o8. You get 4 cards and it seems like the possibilities are endless. Of course there is some thruth to that. But you should really focus on low hands. And those hands should be wheel cards containing an ace. Here is a good example. When I first started playing o8, I thought aa2k double suited was the best hand. I figured that I had a good high and a good low. The very idea that aa23 double suited is THE best hand in the game, tells you where your focus should lie. If you really begin to focus on your low hands, and when I say low, I mean your a2, a34, etc type hands, the rest will fall into place. Quite often you will find people fighting for the high in an o8 game. Somtimes you will get quartered with a naked a2 for low. But usually people play the game so poorly, that if you stick to playing low hands, you begin to show a steady profit.
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Posted 16 August 2007 - 04:37 PM

About your o8 theory, What are your thoughts on the following -- At a passive table where there are a lot of preflop callers (>60%) and very little raising preflop, I'll often limp in with high-only hands (TJKQ, big pairs, suited connectors, etc) looking to get in for the high half. Theory being, if there are that many limpers (taking position in to account too) there have to be a lot of low cards out. The hands are easy to get away from when you whiff, and SO often when I play this style, I end up quartering or even 1/6thing donks in with ragged low hands where I have the nut high hand locked up.

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Posted 16 August 2007 - 04:39 PM

4 broadway card hands are strong in O8.Look for boards where no low is possible, and scooooooooop.(edit: yes I know this isn't "ask Zach".)
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Posted 16 August 2007 - 04:48 PM

View PostMR_BIZKITZ, on Thursday, August 16th, 2007, 7:21 PM, said:

I have been a doing really well in PLO for a while now but everything goes wrong when I sit at a O8B table. I feel I have a good understanding of omaha in general but my results haven't been that great in the split format. What are some common mistakes that even a good player might make when starting to play O8B? Common leaks? Biggest differences in the two games beside the obvious? BTW thankyou for doing this steve!Davis
i think i can field this one if steve's away :)o8, just like other hi-low games, is generally all about scooping. in certain spots and at certain tables (mostly limit games--almost all plo8 pots get hu if you notice), you'll be able to win by virtue of half pots, but that's very rare.so where does that leave us? you have two ways to scoop--bet people out and take it uncontested, or play hands that, when they hit, get the whole pot. as for the former, you'll get a good idea as to what sorts of spots are bluffable just by observing hands--paired flops in shorthanded pots, one-low flops: these are the sorts of flops that it's unlikely anyone has anything, so you might be able to scoop with a bet or two. as for the latter, this is going to be hands like multi-wheel cards that make a2345 for a high and low as well as all high cards which scoop when they hit big--10JQK, 910JQ, AKKQ, etc., sometimes even any hand with a big pair if you can get in cheaply to hope for a set or overboat. hands like AKQ2 or A10J3 are multiway-valueable for obvious reasons :club:.in the move from plo to plo8, a lot of players tend to overvalue hands that are very nice in plo--like 6789 or 4567--that, when they make straights, win only half pots because someone MUST have a better low almost all the time. it's also common to play half pots too passively in shorthanded plo8 out of fear of being quartered rather than being aggressive and giving yourself a chance to take down the whole thing, all the while creating an image that gets you paid off significantly more often. position is EXTREMELY valuable in plo8, even more so than in plo. and finally, DO NOT DRAW AT HALF POTS IF YOU ARE PLAYING PLO8. what that does is effectively cut your drawing equity in half--if there's 2 diamonds out there for your AKQJdd hand, but they're both low diamonds, you really only have 3 outs to that nut flush since anything else is worth only half a pot as it will bring a low, etc.the limit variant of o8, though, is much less about position, and unless you're playing 6max, also a lot less about pushing people out of pots (it's rarely going to work--it takes a very talented player to ever be able to take something like a bet/fold line in LO8), and more about utilizing strong hand selection to make your decisions easier on later streets. as you improve, though, you'll be able to open up a lot once you get a feel for what players do what when going after either end of a pot.hope that helps :)edit: steve, do you want others offering thoughts in here or no? i can shut up if need be.
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Posted 16 August 2007 - 04:54 PM

Thanks a lot for doing this steve. Very nice of you.Can you please name drop for us? Tell us about playing heads up with Ivey. I am interested in your stories...

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Posted 16 August 2007 - 05:29 PM

View PostZach6668, on Thursday, August 16th, 2007, 5:39 PM, said:

4 broadway card hands are strong in O8.Look for boards where no low is possible, and scooooooooop.(edit: yes I know this isn't "ask Zach".)
Mike Matusow did an article on this exact concept that you can find in the full tilit pro tips section. And no need to apologize, Zach. If this thread ends up having 20 forum vets answering the questions at once, how can that really be a bad thing? :club:
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Posted 16 August 2007 - 05:34 PM

View PostCappy37, on Thursday, August 16th, 2007, 9:29 PM, said:

And no need to apologize, Zach. If this thread ends up having 20 forum vets answering the questions at once, how can that really be a bad thing? :D
Probably doesn't help that I know very little about poker, lol.I guess I just got lucky on this particular one :club:
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Posted 16 August 2007 - 05:45 PM

Hey Steve, Thanks for doing this type of Q&A format...I have 2 questions pertaining to tournament play... I find myself building a great lead in the beginning and rocketing off to first within 15 min.... then I run into marginal hands... but I still continue to build... Then I am moved to another table and its with other big stacks.... I have noticed that these big stacks got there by playing donkey-ish style of poker. I have tried to continue to play tight aggressive, but they call more or just play over all more aggressive.... So I changed, and when I got to this stage again I tried to play small ball.... but I am unable to play small ball with such aggressive set of players.... and it always seems that one of these ( donkeys ) takes out all the others... then if I am not moved, I am left there trying to play against a donkey with a 4 to 1 chip stack...How do I get pass this stage?I also seem to go deep but fizzle out towards the end... either near the bubble or just shortly afterwards....The other question I had was... I would like your thoughts on something I heard about the way Stu Ungar played tourneys....I have heard that Stu never played until the antes kicked in... Can you give any insight of that type of style and could it be used in today’s online poker tourneys.... Thanks Steve...


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Posted 16 August 2007 - 05:47 PM

View PostCappy37, on Thursday, August 16th, 2007, 8:29 PM, said:

Mike Matusow did an article on this exact concept that you can find in the full tilit pro tips section. And no need to apologize, Zach. If this thread ends up having 20 forum vets answering the questions at once, how can that really be a bad thing? :club:
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Posted 16 August 2007 - 06:02 PM

How important is BR management?

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Posted 16 August 2007 - 06:11 PM

View PostMikeJohnson724, on Thursday, August 16th, 2007, 10:02 PM, said:

How important is BR management?
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Posted 16 August 2007 - 06:26 PM

Steve,A non-numbers, Poker vs Life question:I'm a successful computer professional making 6-ish digits a year in a salary job-totally stable. I play poker as a hobby and I enjoy it. I like to punish people who are 'bad at math' for fun. But, I only really get to play after a long day's work or on weekends or after a drive to vegas (5 hours from Phoenix).Is there a realistic way to take my poker game to the next level while holding a full-time 9-5? And, given a stable, good 9-5 how do I evaluate the cost/benefit of spending time on my poker game? ie. how likely am I to exceed my salary significantly and how do I determine that?Thanks,-M

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Posted 16 August 2007 - 07:02 PM

View PostMikeJohnson724, on Thursday, August 16th, 2007, 9:02 PM, said:

How important is BR management?
Steve,Can we ban this guy?hblask
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Posted 16 August 2007 - 07:17 PM

where can we find this book ? the full tilt one
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Posted 16 August 2007 - 07:29 PM

View PostMikeJohnson724, on Thursday, August 16th, 2007, 4:54 PM, said:

Thanks a lot for doing this steve. Very nice of you.Can you please name drop for us? Tell us about playing heads up with Ivey. I am interested in your stories...
there was a place for this but here you just look like a clown and common*************************************************************Steve, Zach, Checky,This will turn into a Strategy Forum All-in-One Thread if everyone comes in with their thoughts.Trust me, it will get garbaged up fast.MY thought:Have a thread for Questions only. NO Answers (and delete any discussion within the thread)Then Steve can Copy a Question from there to answer and write his response in a thread only he can write inSo we'll end up with a Steve Answers Questions thread...like a manuscriptOther threads can be created like if I want to dispute his ideas with AK in micro, etc. We do not need another Community Thread for strategy, which this one is about to become.

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Posted 16 August 2007 - 07:32 PM

View PostActuary, on Thursday, August 16th, 2007, 7:29 PM, said:

Have a thread for Questions only. NO Answers (and delete any discussion withi the tread)Then Steve can Copy a Question from there to answer and write his response in a thread only he can write in
I :club: this idea. Will be easier on Steve and much more coherent to read.

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Posted 16 August 2007 - 07:37 PM

View Postbdc30, on Thursday, August 16th, 2007, 8:32 PM, said:

I :club: this idea. Will be easier on Steve and much more coherent to read.
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Posted 16 August 2007 - 07:42 PM

View PostActuary, on Thursday, August 16th, 2007, 8:29 PM, said:

there was a place for this but here you just look like a clown and common*************************************************************Steve, Zach, Checky,This will turn into a Strategy Forum All-in-One Thread if everyone comes in with their thoughts.Trust me, it will get garbaged up fast.MY thought:Have a thread for Questions only. NO Answers (and delete any discussion within the thread)Then Steve can Copy a Question from there to answer and write his response in a thread only he can write inSo we'll end up with a Steve Answers Questions thread...like a manuscriptOther threads can be created like if I want to dispute his ideas with AK in micro, etc. We do not need another Community Thread for strategy, which this one is about to become.
Actually, I was not trying to be a dick. I am really interested in hearing stories about some of his experiences. Maybe 1 story a day or something, I think it would be interesting.

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Posted 16 August 2007 - 07:46 PM

View PostMikeJohnson724, on Thursday, August 16th, 2007, 7:42 PM, said:

Actually, I was not trying to be a dick. I am really interested in hearing stories about some of his experiences. Maybe 1 story a day or something, I think it would be interesting.
Have you always trolled here, or just now?so transparentand thanks for lending value to my idea....

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Posted 16 August 2007 - 07:59 PM

I am new here. I just started trolling. Sorry I have a life and don't have 17k posts. If you have a problem with me can PM me and we can talk about it. I don't think we should hijack his thread.




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