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[Money022]

This is my first orbit at the table and I don't recognize any of the players in the hand. I'm in early position and hit TP/TK with AKos. My c-bet is fairly small but I wasn't sure what bet I needed to thin the field and I wasn't sure if I wanted to make a larger bet and get too committed with this many in the hand. Thoughts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($47.75)
BB ($71.50)
UTG ($93.15)
Hero ($49.25)
CO ($13.70)
Button ($123.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A.
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.5, CO calls $2.50, Button calls $2.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($10.75) 6, K, J (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $6, CO calls $6, Button calls $6, UTG calls $6.

Turn: ($34.75) 3 (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $10, UTG calls $10, Hero ???

[Ricer98]

I'd only be worried about KJ or 66 here as JJ or KK are reraising you the majority of the time. 33 calling the flop is bit of a stretch but I guess could happen. I like checking the turn to see what action developes, as any bet would commit us to the pot. We'd basically just have t push if anything with only $40 left and the pot at $35. Checking might give off a free card, but lets a worse hand bet that wouldn't be calling a push. Wow, its hard to fold top pair top kicker getting 5.5-1 odds on the turn. UTG has to be on some sort of draw or weak pair hand to be check calling twice. Also, the buttons bet is pretty weak. I'm really not a huge fan of just calling though. Anyone hate just shoving it in? It'd be a risky play for UTG or CO to be slow playing a hand that beats us with so many players in. I don't know, I hate folding with those pot odds, but I hate calling so...... I guess until I give it more thought I like shoving against a weak bet and call.

[Syntonic]

Anyone hate just shoving it in?

No I don't hate it.

I don't really give much credit to the UTG limper who calls the raise - he's kind of deepstacked so he's probably willing to play a variety of hands. In this case, I put him on Q10, maybe even Q10 of clubs. I honest don't know what the CO could have.

I really don't understand the $10 bet by the button on the turn - it really seems like he might have K10, or KQ here - it really smells weak. You fire out a continuation bet on the flop, bunch of callers, and you check on the turn, so he might think his king is good.

Overall this is really a tough spot; I hate playing hands like this against 3 other people. I don't mind a shove here, but I could very well see a set of sixes from the CO.

[sabes99]

i think with three callers on a flop like that at the stakes we are playing, someone is likely to be trapping this flop...maybe i am alone, but i think the best play might well be folding...there is no reason UTG or CO can't have 6-6 or K-J and be looking for a c/r, esp at stakes this small when people think the only thing you should do with your big hands is keep people in regardless of how many draws could be out there

actually, i don't think i hate any of the options here, but obv i'm not in love with any of them either...just calling and seeing what develops behind you would be the best play if you were deeper, but with only $40 left i think that's stretching it...i don't really hate shoving either, but i think you will find yourself dead in the water a lot

maybe i'm a nit, but i think i might fold

[Ricer98]

i think with three callers on a flop like that at the stakes we are playing, someone is likely to be trapping this flop...maybe i am alone, but i think the best play might well be folding...there is no reason UTG or CO can't have 6-6 or K-J and be looking for a c/r, esp at stakes this small when people think the only thing you should do with your big hands is keep people in regardless of how many draws could be out there

actually, i don't think i hate any of the options here, but obv i'm not in love with any of them either...just calling and seeing what develops behind you would be the best play if you were deeper, but with only $40 left i think that's stretching it...i don't really hate shoving either, but i think you will find yourself dead in the water a lot

maybe i'm a nit, but i think i might fold

If UTG shows up with top two or a set here after check calling twice while 4 people are in the hand I would be extremely extremely shocked. His play is much more consistant with a Q10 type hand as was mentioned earlier. CO would just about have to bet the turn with anything that flopped big after we checked. Playing for a check raise with only one player to act behind, who had simply called down so far not showing any actual strength, would be a very optomistic play on his part. As far as the buttons range I think it includes either a draw or a K with a weakish kicker. If he had a big hand like a set or top two he would need to protect it better than lay out 4.5-1 odds to 3 opponents on a board with possible straight and now flush draws.

[sabes99]

If UTG shows up with top two or a set here after check calling twice while 4 people are in the hand I would be extremely extremely shocked. His play is much more consistant with a Q10 type hand as was mentioned earlier. CO would just about have to bet the turn with anything that flopped big after we checked. Playing for a check raise with only one player to act behind, who had simply called down so far not showing any actual strength, would be a very optomistic play on his part. As far as the buttons range I think it includes either a draw or a K with a weakish kicker. If he had a big hand like a set or top two he would need to protect it better than lay out 4.5-1 odds to 3 opponents on a board with possible straight and now flush draws.

playing these stakes people tend to believe that their big hands are invulnerable, so i think it wouldn't shock me to see UTG have either one of those hands...obv we have to worry about the CO more than UTG, but still there is a chance

i agree with your assessment of the button's range here, but i am very worried about being trapped here based on the flop texture and the number of opponents here

[shinzilla]

I probably would've just pushed the turn to begin with. As played though, you have to call at the least. The pot odds are too good and button's bet screams weakness. Yeah, sure, occasionally people will make these kinds of bets with monsters but this is usually not the case.

[nomad_monad]

pot the flop. the board isn't that coordinated, but with so many players in the hand and some preflop coldcalls that are sort of worrisome, potting it best thins out the field and also is more likely to cause someone with a monster to wake up.

as played, i shove the turn and live with it if someone has KJ/66 or if CO has AA/KK. the latter is actually what would concern me the most. CO's coldcalling nearly 20% of his stack preflop. usually shorties go ahead and shove preflop with 99-QQ/AQ/AK here, but they sometimes elect to slowplay AA/KK.
once CO calls, button's coldcall range is wide, and UTG can call with an even wider range both because of pot odds and the possibility of playing for big stacks against the button.

we definitely don't want to just call here. with so many people in the hand, we're really setting ourselves up to be outdrawn on the river if we don't attempt to take this down on the turn.

[Money022]

Well I chose not to get too wrapped up in the hand and elected to fold, which I admit was a poor decision based on the pot odds.

Turns out I folded the winner and the pot was taken down by K6 after it was checked around on the river.

[Pan]

So...you would have improved on the river? Because K6 > AK there.

[Money022]

So...you would have improved on the river? Because K6 > AK there.

No, I take that back. The villian had K7 or K8. I just recall it was top pair with a weak kicker and I would have taken it down.