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[timwakefield]

$20 rebuy, 11 remaining. I'm about 2nd in chips. Villain had been very tight, but had recently been shoving a bunch of pots. In the last 10-15 hands he's open shoved about 3 times and took the blinds, and reshoved once on me (not from his big blind) and didn't show.

Is this an easy fold, or can we put villain on huge range? We've have been the big stack at the table for awhile, and have been opening a lot, more as the table got shorter and shorter.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t12000 (6 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP (t284902)
Hero (t592864)
Button (t209794)
SB (t245816)
BB (t179995)
UTG (t298400)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
2 folds, Hero raises to t31000, 2 folds, BB raises to t178795, Hero

[gobears]

I fold here pretty easily - based on your description of villain, I'm calling with AQo+ and 1010+. AJ/99 would be on the bubble

[rdtedm]

Even if he's shoving with ace high we're still marginally behind. I fold here - at best, we're a coinflip, and it's not worth it this close to the big money.

[eYank]

Yeah id say pretty easy fold
At best your a coinflip, possibly dominated (KQ/KJ) any Ace
If you have A10 here its another story
I just think hes pushing with any ace at least

[timwakefield]

Ok, /discussion, that was pretty easy.


Anybody guess that I wasn't hero here? I couldn't understand his call with KT there. I guess it doesn't really hurt him too much if he loses it, but it really gives him a nice lead if he wins, but he has a nice lead even if he folds! He seemed to be playing decently well to that point, but he called somewhat quickly here.

(obviously he won; I had 4s)

[YBravo]

We're getting about 216-148, or about 1.45-1. That's a fold w/ KT.

As for metagame, I think they expect you to be raising a lot of hands in this situation, so I don't think it hurts your image too much. If you were getting 2-1, you'd need to call.

[rdtedm]

Personally, when deep in tournaments, I don't like making good raises unless it's a hand that I'll likely call a shove with. Obviously this isn't true a ton of the time, but the good players are going to exploit it a lot.

[seacucumber]

Ok, /discussion, that was pretty easy.
Anybody guess that I wasn't hero here? I couldn't understand his call with KT there. I guess it doesn't really hurt him too much if he loses it, but it really gives him a nice lead if he wins, but he has a nice lead even if he folds! He seemed to be playing decently well to that point, but he called somewhat quickly here.

(obviously he won; I had 4s)

If you've made up your mind to play for all your chips with 44 in this situation, there might be an alternative play to experiment with here: the stop-n-go. You'll most likely win/lose the same amount of chips (whether he folds/calls preflop to your all in reraise or on the flop to your all in lead out) but your chance of winning the hand increases as you're giving him only 3 cards usually (much tougher to call an all in on a flop of Q or A high with KT and no draws) instead of 5 cards to beat you.

[timwakefield]

If you've made up your mind to play for all your chips with 44 in this situation, there might be an alternative play to experiment with here: the stop-n-go. You'll most likely win/lose the same amount of chips (whether he folds/calls preflop to your all in reraise or on the flop to your all in lead out) but your chance of winning the hand increases as you're giving him only 3 cards usually (much tougher to call an all in on a flop of Q or A high with KT and no draws) instead of 5 cards to beat you.

I wanted him to fold...

Also I think I'm a bit too deep for a stop and go. I think I (should) have significant fold equity PF here.

[armen13]

Was villain, I mean Hero IGOR FEDERAL?

[timwakefield]

Was villain, I mean Hero IGOR FEDERAL?

In fact, yes. How'd you know?

[armen13]

Major aggrodonk, played with him earlier same tourney, made a big laydown I thought but now have second thoughts. Even midway through he had a bunch of railers yapping it up in portuguese (I think he is from brazil), can't imagine the rail final two tables. I was checking today and noticed he finished second, and this sounded like a move he would make. Anyway not saying he is horrible, I think he goes quit deep often...

[timwakefield]

Major aggrodonk, played with him earlier same tourney, made a big laydown I thought but now have second thoughts. Even midway through he had a bunch of railers yapping it up in portuguese (I think he is from brazil), can't imagine the rail final two tables. I was checking today and noticed he finished second, and this sounded like a move he would make. Anyway not saying he is horrible, I think he goes quit deep often...

GAWD his rail was so awful. I asked them to please speak english, and they decided that this meant I was both terrible at poker, and wanted to be harrassed for the rest of the tourney. I emailed stars on break about it, as did another player, but all they did was send off some emails telling them to speak english (and totally ignored my claim that they were harrassing me and giving advice to players during play). Eventually I just turned off observer chat. Donktard quick-calls me with KTs, I was so mad at him. He wasn't being too much of a jerk, just his rail.

Like you said perhaps he's not horrible, but he has to put me on like any 2 suited cards to be calling me with KT...or maybe he just realized that he was outclassed and he'd better take any chance he had to knock me out .

[armen13]

They were advising players at my table too, thought about reporting it etc. but then thought it might be isolated excited rail. There were 2 Brazilians at my table and in one hand one was in the BB and IGOR raised, and BB was thinking and the rail types "passa" and he folded. Not saying he listened to them or anything but just not a good atmosphere at the table. Anyway congrats on going deep, sucks to FT bubble. Love the 20+R it's realy a great tourney.