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#1 wrto4556

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 02:17 AM

SB is tight/aggressive and I play with him alot.Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: wrto is BB with 8:club:, 7:club:. 5 folds, SB =#A500AF(Eagle)/ completes, wrto checks.Flop: (3 SB) 9:spade:, 5:club:, 3:club: (4 players)Eagle bets, wrto...Do I raise or call? Why?

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 06:49 AM

I think you raise to protect against the CO, he might have a flush draw also. If he has a 9 or an overpair he's going to stay in whether or not you raise. I think it's a good value bet. Get the money in while they're still going to call.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 06:58 AM

Well, you have 13 outs which are most likely clean with 2 cards to come. Additionally, outs which pair you may well be good--the guy is TA, although what amounts to a stop and go confuses me a bit. Maybe he was trying to see a cheap flop with any two and hoping you wouldn't raise it. Maybe that's what he wanted, and was thinking he could outplay you post flop.That said, I'd raise here...if all your outs (The flush draw, the cards which pair you, and the gutshot, plus the backdoor straight draw on the other end) are clean, you're actually a sizable favorite in the hand despite only having 8 high to this point. Also, if I hit any piece of a flop in a blind (Granting, I wouldn't classify myself as an eagle), I'm going to bet at it, especially heads up--in other words, the guy could be betting a nine here, but he could be betting a deuce, which means your pair outs ARE clean. Lastly, I think the raise gives you some fold equity, as he could just be throwing a feeler bet out there to see if he can take control.EDIT: Ha, I totally missed the CO still being in the hand. Anyway, yeah, I still raise--make the CO think long and hard about calling with any sort of weird draw, and show Eagle you mean business here.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 08:24 AM

I like the raise alsoYou have to show some strength, and you might get CO to fold

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 12:01 PM

The pot is tiny. What am I protecting it from?I have a big draw, don't I want people in?

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 12:06 PM

wrto4556 said:

The pot is tiny. What am I protecting it from?I have a big draw, don't I want people in?

I would agree with wrto here. I would call, hoping to get my flush. I'm fairly certain that the eagle hit the board because of the bet, but I'm also fairly certain that the eagle is only in the pot because he was the small blind and he got a discount. I'd call and see what happens on the turn.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 12:08 PM

easy call.why raise the small street with a player behind you in a small pot?

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 12:19 PM

wrto4556 said:

This is a tough one. You have at least 12 outs and up to 18 if the 7 and 8 are clean. I think this case is stronly based upon what the SB is liable to bet with here. If he's able to bet with only a flush draw then I think you want to raise him and take control of the pot to try and steal it. If he'll only bet with the 9 then I'd say call and try and get the CO to come along for the ride.In general though, I think you'd want to raise. It might help clean up some outs and it also helps to disguise your hand. If you only call and the club comes on the turn and you wake up all of a sudden, it's pretty obvious you have the flush. It's not as obvious if you raise though, as most people don't raise drawing hands at this level. (Is the SB good enough to put you on the draw even if you do raise?) Finally the raise may also allow you to see the river for free if you don't make it on the turn.In conclusion, I think raising is definitely the better play in general and calling would only be better with a very specific read on the players in the pot.Zara

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 12:20 PM

I agree. This is an easy call.About the SB limping. This is a 1/3 blind structure. He either has a pair in the hole, or a 9 with something like Q9s, K9s, 98s, or A9o....It's not any two suited at 3/6.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 12:28 PM

wrto4556 said:

I forgot you're up in 3/6 now. In that case, a completion by a TA player would indicate a much better hand then a completion at 2/4 so you want the CO to come along for the ride. At this point you have at most 12 outs and possibly as few as 2 (if he has Qc9c) or similar, only the non-club 6's let you win without a miracle runner runner.I change my mind, call

. You're mostly like up against a pair of 9's (or pocket 77, 88) so this drastically reduces the chances of the 7's and 8's being any good.Zara

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