fckthis 0 Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 effective stacks Hero 430, villain 300Reads-villain bet and pushed turn on a Ahigh flop, with KK, only to get called by AQ. Has since rebought.Preflop, 6way pot, Hero on BTN with 88.Flop 8,10,7 rainbowchecks to Hero, hero bets 10, villain is only caller.Turn A, puts a flushdraw Hero bets 25, villain raises to 50, Hero calls. River 9Villain bets 105, Hero....thoughts and comments on all streets welcome Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 Raise the turn. He's got a ton of 2 pair combos that should pay you off and there's only scare cards that can come on the river for you and the villian. Call is standard at the river. If some one says he only has $50 left, then i'll say you can push. Link to post Share on other sites
DM_FLOPPEDIT 0 Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 flop is fine i def raise turn probably make $140..if he has j9 NH higher set NH i also pay the river off against this player. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 effective stacks Hero 430, villain 300Reads-villain bet and pushed turn on a Ahigh flop, with KK, only to get called by AQ. Has since rebought.Preflop, 6way pot, Hero on BTN with 88.Flop 8,10,7 rainbowchecks to Hero, hero bets 10, villain is only caller.Turn A, puts a flushdraw Hero bets 25, villain raises to 50, Hero calls. River 9Villain bets 105, Hero....thoughts and comments on all streets welcomeOops.We have to Raise, perhaps Push that Turn.Also, I'd have tossed in a Preflop Button Raise with 88.As played - either Fold or Call the River. Personally, I think this is a Fold. That 9 seems more like a hit than a miss. Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 We could feasibly put villain on aces up here, seeing as he check/called the flop and only limped preflop. Does villain raise AJ preflop? Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 We could feasibly put villain on aces up here, seeing as he check/called the flop and only limped preflop. Does villain raise AJ preflop?I'd say he is more likely to have AJ than Aces up right now. I'd expect a preflop limp with AJ Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 No way.I'd say he is more likely to have AJ than Aces right now. I'd expect a preflop raise with AA and preflop limp with AJAces up, aka two pair? Did you misread? Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 Aces up, aka two pair? Did you misread? Yes. Fixed my post. Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I'd say he is more likely to have AJ than Aces up right now. I'd expect a preflop limp with AJOP, is villain someone who will call off a pot-sized bet with nothing but a gutshot? I know AJ is a limping hand PF in EP/MP, but so are medium aces.. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 OP, is villain someone who will call off a pot-sized bet with nothing but a gutshot? I know AJ is a limping hand PF in EP/MP, but so are medium aces..I don't disagree. But AJ isn't just a gut shot, it is top pair with a kicker that is over the board with a gutshot there may even be a flush draw. Thing is as played it seems like he hit his hand on the River, not a missed draw. Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I don't disagree. But AJ isn't just a gut shot, it is top pair with a kicker that is over the board with a gutshot there may even be a flush draw. Thing is as played it seems like he hit his hand on the River, not a missed draw.Talking about the flop.. Hero bets out 10 into a 12 dollar pot, and villain calls with a gutshot? Link to post Share on other sites
Money022 0 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I must have misread the HH for the turn action. I thought it said the Hero CALLED the villians raise. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I must have misread the HH for the turn action. I thought it said the Hero CALLED the villians raise. you are Money on this one yuk yuk yukTry the veal, I will be here all week. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Talking about the flop.. Hero bets out 10 into a 12 dollar pot, and villain calls with a gutshot?Perhaps. About as likely as TPTK (I am assuming you're not suggesting something like BPTK or MPTK) given the later action. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Never ever just flat the turn. There are so many stupid cards for you that could hit the river. Just raise. If he has a straight, you're going fishing for a boat anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Perhaps. About as likely as TPTK (I am assuming you're not suggesting something like BPTK or MPTK) given the later action.What I'm saying is that it's feasible that villain takes this line:1) Limp with a medium ace2) Catch a pair on the flop, but check since its likely not the best hand3) Call hero's position bet4) Catch aces up on the turn, wake up Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 What I'm saying is that it's feasible that villain takes this line:1) Limp with a medium ace2) Catch a pair on the flop, but check since its likely not the best hand3) Call hero's position bet4) Catch aces up on the turn, wake upYes. I understand and don't completely disagree. I just think AJ is at least as likely.OP - results? Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Does the 9 complete the flush btw? Link to post Share on other sites
fckthis 0 Posted August 10, 2007 Author Share Posted August 10, 2007 Well looking back on the hand, I felt like calling the turn was ok as he's very likely to bet the river when behind, and then I can stack him him. Even though I wouldn't mind getting it all in either on the turn. But the weird thing was the min-raise. He either has turned 2 pair, has a flopped str8, or a set. All are likely, as he's not known as the tightest player. He could even have AJ sometimes, or something to that effect. The river was where it got confusing. There's a 4 card straight on board. He also seemed very confident when he bet. I was just so confused at that point, trying to figure out whether that 9 effected the hand at all. In the end it didn't. He showed J9. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Raise the turn.I probably have to call the river becuase of how I've played the hand. Link to post Share on other sites
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