17 Left In 2.25 180 Low Stack Utg Kqs

[SBriand 4]

Sadly don't have the hand history on this computer but I wanted to discuss this before I forgot the details.The new $2.25 180 man SNG at Full Tilt. Down to 17 (Top 18 pay, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd are the ones to play for)I was card dead for awhile. Sitting on 6300 UTG. Blinds are 300/600 75 ante (full table of 9)M=4 Blinds increase in about 3 minutes.I get dealt Fold, push, call, or raise and if raise how much?

[Yahkin 0]

Shove.

[monix 0]

What is your standing, and where are the shorties relative you to?If this was bubble time I'd push, but I tend to tighten up dramatically after the bubble bursts as all the people on fumes start busting out...

[SBriand 4]

What is your standing, and where are the shorties relative you to?If this was bubble time I'd push, but I tend to tighten up dramatically after the bubble bursts as all the people on fumes start busting out...

I am about 15th I think. Shorties really all around, BB was the chip leader everyone else was 6-15K.

[monix 0]

I am about 15th I think. Shorties really all around, BB was the chip leader everyone else was 6-15K.

I'd push in this situation.

[rog 0]

I would tend to fold this. You're not desperate, and you have K high OOP at a full table.

[monix 0]

I would tend to fold this. You're not desperate, and you have K high OOP at a full table.

Huh? An M of 4 and about to go into the blinds is not desperate? KQs is a very good hand in this situation, with maybe a little fold equity; clear push IMO.

[bdc30 0]

What is your standing, and where are the shorties relative you to?If this was bubble time I'd push, but I tend to tighten up dramatically after the bubble bursts as all the people on fumes start busting out...

WE are the people on fumes. Push.

[Gallo 1]

WE are the people on fumes. Push.

Am I wrong, but doesn't he have an M of 6+? Anyway, I hate this situation as I also have trouble at time knowing what to do in this situation with a good holding and UTG. If you get a call you're more than likely behind. Does anyone condone maybe just calling? Or how about raising either minimum (Ugh, can't believe I just said that) or raising 2.5x? Like I said, I really hate shoving here only becuase it is a full table and you will only likely be called by a hand that can beat you.

[SBriand 4]

Am I wrong, but doesn't he have an M of 6+? Anyway, I hate this situation as I also have trouble at time knowing what to do in this situation with a good holding and UTG. If you get a call you're more than likely behind. Does anyone condone maybe just calling? Or how about raising either minimum (Ugh, can't believe I just said that) or raising 2.5x? Like I said, I really hate shoving here only becuase it is a full table and you will only likely be called by a hand that can beat you.

I have an M of 4 because of antes.If I call and get raised then what?If I raise and get reraised then what?If I have to fold in those 2 situations then it's back to fold or push pf I think.But I don't know, that is why I am asking.If I call and someone in EP has A9 and raises me, then I am put to a decision.If I push, will the dude with Ax risk 75% or more of his stack to call?

[Gallo 1]

I have an M of 4 because of antes.If I call and get raised then what?If I raise and get reraised then what?If I have to fold in those 2 situations then it's back to fold or push pf I think.But I don't know, that is why I am asking.If I call and someone in EP has A9 and raises me, then I am put to a decision.If I push, will the dude with Ax risk 75% or more of his stack to call?

Ok, man I must not be up yet, because I keep forgetting stuff that I'm reading. I would shove with an M of 4. But what about if you had an M of 6+? Still shove?

[SBriand 4]

Ok, man I must not be up yet, because I keep forgetting stuff that I'm reading. I would shove with an M of 4. But what about if you had an M of 6+? Still shove?

I don't think I would. I think I get through the blinds and then try and find a better hand before they got back to me.

[SBriand 4]

Okay, I shoved. I figured it was fold or shove. If I raised to 1800 and someone repops me I am pretty much calling. So may as well get it in there. I figured, or hoped, that I would get hands like Ax to lay down and not risk a large portion of their stack.I did get called by one player who had me covered. He showed AK.I hit the Q on the turn and that was that. Not a brag post, but I got berated for 20 minutes by all the $2.25 Pro's for making that move. I thought it was a push or shove situation. I just wanted to get people's opinions so if it was a bad bad move I won't do it again.

[Yahkin 0]

I don't think I would. I think I get through the blinds and then try and find a better hand before they got back to me.

KQs is about the best hand you are likely going to see in the next circuit IMO. I definately push with an M with 6 or 7 as well. We still have some FE and picking up the blinds increases our stack substantially.As for who calls, just about any pp and prolly A9+ by the bigger stacks. We are really only in trouble against AK, and QQ+, everything else we have a decent race.

[rog 0]

Maybe I'm weak/tight, or maybe I'm more comofrtable on the short stack, but I just don't open up my range that wide from UTG at a full table. Perhaps that's a leak. With M=3, I probably shove, but with M=4. I'm probably waiting.Against the suggested calling range of 22+ and A9+, you have an approximate fold equity of 27%. Can someone pokerstove for me your equity if called heads up by 22+, A9+? We can do the math, and see how it works out.

[monix 0]

Against the suggested calling range of 22+ and A9+, you have an approximate fold equity of 27%. Can someone pokerstove for me your equity if called heads up by 22+, A9+? We can do the math, and see how it works out.

With your range and FE assumptions, a Push is +ev...27% + (41.8% * (100%-27%))= 57.5%Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 1,571,895,072 games 0.093 secs 16,902,097,548 games/secBoard: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 41.767% 40.98% 00.79% 644161944 12376500.00 { 44 }Hand 1: 58.233% 57.45% 00.79% 902980128 12376500.00 { 22+, A9s+, A9o+ }

[rog 0]

With your range and FE assumptions, a Push is +ev...27% + (41.8% * (100%-27%))= 57.5%Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 1,571,895,072 games 0.093 secs 16,902,097,548 games/secBoard: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 41.767% 40.98% 00.79% 644161944 12376500.00 { 44 }Hand 1: 58.233% 57.45% 00.79% 902980128 12376500.00 { 22+, A9s+, A9o+ }

Wrong hand Monix. This is KQs not 44

[monix 0]

Wrong hand Monix. This is KQs not 44

Oops...sorry.Still +ev....27% + (41.1% * (100%-27%))= 57.0%Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 246,571,776 games 0.031 secs 7,953,928,258 games/secBoard: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 41.466% 41.14% 00.32% 101443320 799771.50 { KcQc }Hand 1: 58.534% 58.21% 00.32% 143528913 799771.50 { 22+, A9s+, A9o+ }

[rog 0]

Oops...sorry.Still +ev....27% + (41.1% * (100%-27%))= 57.0%Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 246,571,776 games 0.031 secs 7,953,928,258 games/secBoard: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 41.466% 41.14% 00.32% 101443320 799771.50 { KcQc }Hand 1: 58.534% 58.21% 00.32% 143528913 799771.50 { 22+, A9s+, A9o+ }

Not so fast. It has to be weighted. Let's see...blinds and antes are 1600. Double up is like +6500. Busto is like -6300.27 (1600) + (.411 * .73 * 6500) + (.58 * .73 * -6300)432 + 1950 - 2669-287 Chip EV.

[BeaverStyle 1]

Okay, I shoved. I hit the Q on the turn and that was that. Not a brag post, but I got berated for 20 minutes by all the $2.25 Pro's for making that move. I thought it was a push or shove situation.

oxymoron?

[SBriand 4]

oxymoron?

Well they seemed like pro's the way they were talking!