Ak Line Check, 10 Max

[NoBBiR 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($9.08)SB ($4.95)BB ($10.16)Hero ($10)UTG+1 ($3.88)MP1 ($3.83)MP2 ($7.75)CO ($10.21)Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A. Hero raises to $0.4, UTG+1 calls $0.40, 3 folds, Button calls $0.40, 2 folds.Flop: ($1.35) K, 2, 6(3 players)Hero bets $0.7, UTG+1 folds, Button raises to $1.6, Hero raises to $3.6, Button raises to $8.68, Hero folds.Final Pot: $7.15Is this ever really anything that I'm beating? There was no pause to his betting, it was just quick reraises after the flop. I was at the table for about 20 hands up to now, and villian had not done anything out of line.

[BrandonPL 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($9.08)SB ($4.95)BB ($10.16)Hero ($10)UTG+1 ($3.88)MP1 ($3.83)MP2 ($7.75)CO ($10.21)Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A. Hero raises to $0.4, UTG+1 calls $0.40, 3 folds, Button calls $0.40, 2 folds.Flop: ($1.35) K, 2, 6(3 players)Hero bets $0.7, UTG+1 folds, Button raises to $1.6, Hero raises to $3.6, Button raises to $8.68, Hero folds.Final Pot: $7.15Is this ever really anything that I'm beating? There was no pause to his betting, it was just quick reraises after the flop. I was at the table for about 20 hands up to now, and villian had not done anything out of line.

I could easily see KQ or KJ at this limit making that play or the nut flush draw. Its also possible he has a set but your looking at calling another $5.08 to win $15.93. I think if you build a range of hands including both sets, a flush draw, KQ & KJ, you are fairly even money and I would be forced to make this call. More often than you expect you will be good at these limits.

[jmbreslin 0]

It seems a bit odd that you were willing to reraise him but then folded to his reraise. Can you explain your thinking there?

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

It seems a bit odd that you were willing to reraise him but then folded to his reraise. Can you explain your thinking there?

Yeah. This is what I was thinking too. This just seems like "Button Aggression" to me. You play AK hoping to catch TPTK and then fold to the reraise?

[psujohn 0]

Exactly what can you put him on that beats you? KK raises pre-flop. You have the Kh so tp+fd is out. Two pair is pretty unlikely unless villain plays 90% of his hands to a pf raise. You're behind 66 and 22 which might play like this with the fd on board. I think there's a fair chance he has AK, KQ or KJ here.I don't know. I generally come up with something like "villain is just a donkey going crazy with KQ" and push only to find that he did indeed have 66.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Exactly what can you put him on that beats you? KK raises pre-flop. You have the Kh so tp+fd is out. Two pair is pretty unlikely unless villain plays 90% of his hands to a pf raise. You're behind 66 and 22 which might play like this with the fd on board. I think there's a fair chance he has AK, KQ or KJ here.I don't know. I generally come up with something like "villain is just a donkey going crazy with KQ" and push only to find that he did indeed have 66.

Yep......but I could live with that. Yeah, better to win many little pots than lose a big one, but Scared Poker is losing Poker.

[jmbreslin 0]

Scared Poker is losing Poker.

I think I need to write that on a sticky and put it right on my computer monitor...

[sabes99 0]

i don't know, i think he has a set more often than we are giving him credit for...unless i know that he is aggressive enough to make this play with K-Q or K-J, i am folding...this looks like a set all the way i thinkmaybe i'm a donk who gives too much credit, but that's just my thinking

[mtdesmoines 2]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($9.08)SB ($4.95)BB ($10.16)Hero ($10)UTG+1 ($3.88)MP1 ($3.83)MP2 ($7.75)CO ($10.21)Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A. Hero raises to $0.4, UTG+1 calls $0.40, 3 folds, Button calls $0.40, 2 folds.Flop: ($1.35) K, 2, 6(3 players)Hero bets $0.7, UTG+1 folds, Button raises to $1.6, Hero raises to $3.6, Button raises to $8.68, Hero folds.Final Pot: $7.15Is this ever really anything that I'm beating? There was no pause to his betting, it was just quick reraises after the flop. I was at the table for about 20 hands up to now, and villian had not done anything out of line.

We can't really put villain on a reasonable K-flush draw, since we hold the Kh. This is probably either a set, naked flush draw, another AK or air. 50-50. I honestly probably fold this if villain isn't type to get out of line in two orbits.

[NoBBiR 0]

I reraised and folded because I knew that finding out later if I was indeed beat would be much, much more expensive. I figured if he came over the top again, I could be fairly certain I was WB.I'm just not keen on losing buy-in after buy-in just because I have TPTK and I should never be respecting someone's play just because it's a lower limit. I realize that people do make this play at this limit with KQ or KJ occasionally, but it really has to be a minor part of his range after I get 4 bet on the flop right?

[krup24 0]

We can't really put villain on a reasonable K-flush draw, since we hold the Kh. This is probably either a set, naked flush draw, another AK or air. 50-50. I honestly probably fold this if villain isn't type to get out of line in two orbits.

can't be QK or JK? cause it can be very easily especially at these limitsthe reraise to fold route is bad. folding TP/TK getting better than 2:1 is not an option IMO. at these tables almost any K or flush draw can make this move.

[antistuff 0]

you all keep saying it could be a weaker king at these limits. in my experience playing at these limits unless they show you otherwise they are very passive with top pair type hands, and in 20 hands they would have already shown you otherwise.

[DonkSlayer 1]

I don't think there's really a right answer. I could justify calling by saying that players at this limit will overplay more often than higher limits, and the villain.We could also easily say getting re-reraised allin on this board is at least a 50/50 proposition, so folding is no leak here.

[mln_falcon 0]

Is it a huge mistake to call the raise and check call down depending on reads and board.

[antistuff 0]

I don't think there's really a right answer. I could justify calling by saying that players at this limit will overplay more often than higher limits

no they don't. they underplay. severely.

[trystero 0]

anti's right. A lot of these players, especially at full ring, will only raise with monsters. You can stack most of them when they've got top pair but you've got to do it for them - they're more inclined to call down with that holding than raise with it. I'm speaking generally because the aggrodonks obviously do exist.

[BrandonPL 0]

no they don't. they underplay. severely.

We must have played different low limit poker then because in everything I have played I see people severely overplay most hands. Many people do try to slow play monsters way to often in these limits, but I would be willing to bet that 75% of the time, a player in these limits would be willing to stick all their money in with top pair any kicker.

[NoBBiR 0]

We must have played different low limit poker then because in everything I have played I see people severely overplay most hands. Many people do try to slow play monsters way to often in these limits, but I would be willing to bet that 75% of the time, a player in these limits would be willing to stick all their money in with top pair any kicker.

This I feel is wrong. Either 10max has just gotten better since you've played it (sounds like you're talking from experience so you're passed these levels) or the games are just different on other sites. I almost never get stacked with TPTK. I think Anti is right that people are willing to get it all in with TPNK but you have to bet into them to make them do it. They usually aren't 4 bet shoving K10 or KJ here. KQ, maybe, but I for one rarely see this unless the guy is just obviously donking around.

[BuffDan 0]

I think Anti is right that people are willing to get it all in with TPNK but you have to bet into them to make them do it.

This is the key point. People at these levels overvalue their hands but they don't necessarily overbet them.

[BrandonPL 0]

This is the key point. People at these levels overvalue their hands but they don't necessarily overbet them.

Okay I guess I can agree with that for the most part. I still think i call in this hand.

[mtdesmoines 2]

anti's right. A lot of these players, especially at full ring, will only raise with monsters. You can stack most of them when they've got top pair but you've got to do it for them - they're more inclined to call down with that holding than raise with it. I'm speaking generally because the aggrodonks obviously do exist.

LOL

Is it a huge mistake to call the raise and check call down depending on reads and board.

[antistuff 0]

anti's right. A lot of these players, especially at full ring, will only raise with monsters. You can stack most of them when they've got top pair but you've got to do it for them - they're more inclined to call down with that holding than raise with it. I'm speaking generally because the aggrodonks obviously do exist.

exactly. against your average player i am planning on making bets trying to get it all in before the river here. they will call off their whole stack with just the most wonderfully enormous range you can imagine. but when they hit that raise button its two pair or better. the thing is i think the way you played it you should call getting the odds you are. i would have called his flop raise and seriously considered folding to any bet on the turn that seemed like he was setting it up to get it all in by the river.

[sabes99 0]

exactly. against your average player i am planning on making bets trying to get it all in before the river here. they will call off their whole stack with just the most wonderfully enormous range you can imagine. but when they hit that raise button its two pair or better. the thing is i think the way you played it you should call getting the odds you are. i would have called his flop raise and seriously considered folding to any bet on the turn that seemed like he was setting it up to get it all in by the river.

i agree completelyre-raising was a huge mistake here, i would just call and see another card...you have the worst of it way too often to re-raise

[crazykid13 0]

So the villain raises 5.08 more putting himself all in. You're basically calling 5 dollars more with TPTK on the flop. At these limits, I'm not sure I can exactly give the villain enough credit to lay it down for 5 more, even more so since they're all in. If you both had maybe another 20 more each in play, maybe I'd put more thought into letting this go. As played...I think I have to call. If you're beat, add some more chips to your stack and move on to the next hand.