DwayneWayne 0 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Party $30 SNG.You have 1200 in chips, 7 players remain. Blinds are 25-50.UTG limps, folded to you in MP with 77, you call, CO (850) calls, Button (850) makes it 150 to go.UTG folds, you call, CO calls. 3 to flop.Flop: 5-6-8 rainbow.You check hoping to check raise this flop, CO moves all-in, Button calls.Call or Fold? Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketwadster 0 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 A clear fold for me. Lots of chips left, so no need to put your faith on a draw (I would put it at less than 50% that your 7's are high right now), so why put your tournament on the line for a coin flip situation at best. :wink: Link to post Share on other sites
Petoria 0 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 I would fold, because you know that he has JJ. 10 outs isn't that much, just wait until you find a place where you can be a big favorite. Link to post Share on other sites
Devilkin 0 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Fold it up - someone has a straight, or trips. Price is way too high for a pair of sevens to hold up.Had a similar hand today in NL$25. Three in the pot, Im on the button with 66. I was the initial raiser, with three callersFlop comes 245 rainbow, so I have top pair and a gutshot straight. Im getting all ready to bet hard, and the first caller (UTG +1) goes all in for about $20. It took me all of five seconds to fold this up.My opponent had JJ (nice of them to show wasn't it?).Top pair with a straight draw is a good hand, but not an all in hand.Dev Link to post Share on other sites
bampote 0 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Easy fold. It's still early, and it's very unlikely that you have both of them beat. One of the two has an overpair, and the other probably has a set. Link to post Share on other sites
BeanGW 0 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Party $30 SNG.You have 1200 in chips, 7 players remain. Blinds are 25-50.UTG limps, folded to you in MP with 77, you call, CO (850) calls, Button (850) makes it 150 to go.UTG folds, you call, CO calls. 3 to flop.Flop: 5-6-8 rainbow.You check hoping to check raise this flop, CO moves all-in, Button calls.Call or Fold?I'm gonna be a punk and disagree with everybody on this one. 10 outs with two cards left is like 40% to hit it up big. With a flop of nothing cards, you probably are up against two over pairs, right? OK, now you are saying that it's 700 more to call the all in, and you've got like 1050 left. The pot is already at like 1800? If you lose you are down to 350 in chips, and still in the game with 7 players left. If you win you put yourself in very strong position... You are throwin 700 into a pot where you can end up with 2500. So you are getting about 3.5-1 pot odds.Even if you know for sure you are playing against the top made set in that situation, and your straight draw is your only out, you are good to go with anything above 3-1 odds, and would be correct to make the call. I understand the justification for waiting for a better situation, but this play won't knock you out of play, and it could easily put you in a huge chip advantage. I mean sometimes you do have to gamble, and this is the proper time to make the play. Link to post Share on other sites
Vade 0 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Party $30 SNG.You have 1200 in chips, 7 players remain. Blinds are 25-50.UTG limps, folded to you in MP with 77, you call, CO (850) calls, Button (850) makes it 150 to go.UTG folds, you call, CO calls. 3 to flop.Flop: 5-6-8 rainbow.You check hoping to check raise this flop, CO moves all-in, Button calls.Call or Fold?Easy foldYou're looking at an overpair and probably a set as wellMy guess would be CO has the set as CO didn't raise preflop... Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 I'm gonna be a punk and disagree with everybody on this one. 10 outs with two cards left is like 40% to hit it up big. With a flop of nothing cards, you probably are up against two over pairs, right? OK, now you are saying that it's 700 more to call the all in, and you've got like 1050 left. The pot is already at like 1800? If you lose you are down to 350 in chips, and still in the game with 7 players left. If you win you put yourself in very strong position... You are throwin 700 into a pot where you can end up with 2500. So you are getting about 3.5-1 pot odds.Even if you know for sure you are playing against the top made set in that situation, and your straight draw is your only out, you are good to go with anything above 3-1 odds, and would be correct to make the call. I understand the justification for waiting for a better situation, but this play won't knock you out of play, and it could easily put you in a huge chip advantage. I mean sometimes you do have to gamble, and this is the proper time to make the play.You're probably up against a set from one of the two, which even if you make your draw gives him 10 outs on the river to fill up.STT and MTT are about survival, its early and you have chips. If I'm below 10xBB maybe I call, but he doesn't need to. Pot odds are definately important but in tournies it's not always the most important.So I fold here and wait for a hand where I can be the aggressor. Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 I toss it. Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 I toss it.who can argue with that :!: Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 I toss it.who can argue with that :!:I know, pretty indisputable isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites
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