correct slowplays?

[akishore 0]

Hand 1:0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9-handed)akishore posted to play in MP3Pre-flop: akishore is MP3 (poster) with J 8 .UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, akishore checks, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.Flop: Q 10 9 (8 players, 8.5 SB)BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.flop the second-nut straight in an eight-way pot. the person almost immediately to my right bets, do i really want to raise to shut out the rest of the field when i'm probably far ahead of everyone else? i figure i don't, and i can wait for the turn to raise for value, so i call, and everyone calls. was this correct?Hand 2:0.25/0.50 Hold'em (8-handed)Pre-flop: akishore is MP2 with K K .1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, akishore raises, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.Flop: K 5 2 (3 players, 7.5 SB)UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, UTG+1 calls.flop the nut set in a three-way pot. if the pot was four-handed or more, i would raise to protect my hand, but i figure that i can take my chances against two hands that there is no four-flush draw out there (i.e. more often than not, the other two are almost drawing dead, if not drawing dead). correct call?thanks,aseem

[wrto4556 0]

I dont like either one of them. The pots are big in both and you have plenty of bad cards in the deck.Hand 1: AJ, KQ, K9, Kx, AK, TT, 99, QQ...all hands you dont want to give a free card to. Yes, some are more unlikely than others.Hand 2: clubs and straights.

[GT123 0]

a good rule to follow in small stakes is never slow play. They are going to call you anyways so you just end up missing bets.

[akishore 0]

a good rule to follow in small stakes is never slow play. They are going to call you anyways so you just end up missing bets.

that rule is terrible, IMHO.even SSHE advocates certain situations. look at the hand quizzes. you have 2-2 and you flop bottom set. you check with the intention of raising an aggressive player on your left, but instead, it checks all the way to the button, who bets. you should slowplay here by calling.this was a similar situation when i flopped the straight. a person close to my right bet, and i felt that i should only call (slowplay) instead of raise to blow away the field.regardless, i think wrto is right... a straight is not as strong as a set to slowplay. i am giving a lot of higher straight draws cheap cards as well as other draws.i still think the second one is ok, however. only runner-runner clubs hurt me, as well as runner-runner wheel cards to make Ax a straight or runner-runner broadway to make another straight. i think it was reasonable to think that my only dangers were runner-runner draws, and i could afford to take that gamble if it meant a few more bets.aseem

[benhoug 0]

The first hand I don't like the slowplay at all. You could already be beat by someone holding JK, or you could give players with outs to beat you the free card they need.The second hand I'm not nuts about it either. Sure you flopped the nut set, but suited connected cards on board are scary. Lately I've been trying to follow Doyle's advice for flopping to big hands. I'll usually just lead right out and if I get in a raising war, so be it.

[KDawgCometh 2]

hand 2 you can only slowplay if the 5 was a 7 and not a club, hand 1 like you said, you have the Secondnut straight. if you had KJ then it'd be cool. slowplaying is fine in the right situations, but both of these don't qualify

[akishore 0]

yeah, i agree that the first hand was wrong to slowplay.i'm not sure if you read the second hand correctly, it was a 5 and 2. this makes the straight draw much less likely, doesn't it?still debating the second one in my mind... sorry if it seems like i'm being stubborn. :-) aseem

[knght311 0]

yeah, i agree that the first hand was wrong to slowplay.i'm not sure if you read the second hand correctly, it was a 5 and 2. this makes the straight draw much less likely, doesn't it?still debating the second one in my mind... sorry if it seems like i'm being stubborn. :-) aseem

I would play 34 in any sshe game

[KDawgCometh 2]

yeah, i agree that the first hand was wrong to slowplay.i'm not sure if you read the second hand correctly, it was a 5 and 2. this makes the straight draw much less likely, doesn't it?still debating the second one in my mind... sorry if it seems like i'm being stubborn. :-) aseem

to me its not the straight draw, but the club draw you really need to think about

[Emptyeye 0]

Yeah, if ever there was spot I'd want to raise immediately after a bettor, it's that second hand--if UTG + 1 is on the flush draw, make him pay big to hit it.

[GT123 0]

a good rule to follow in small stakes is never slow play. They are going to call you anyways so you just end up missing bets.

that rule is terrible, IMHO.even SSHE advocates certain situations. look at the hand quizzes. you have 2-2 and you flop bottom set. you check with the intention of raising an aggressive player on your left, but instead, it checks all the way to the button, who bets. you should slowplay here by calling.this was a similar situation when i flopped the straight. a person close to my right bet, and i felt that i should only call (slowplay) instead of raise to blow away the field.regardless, i think wrto is right... a straight is not as strong as a set to slowplay. i am giving a lot of higher straight draws cheap cards as well as other draws.i still think the second one is ok, however. only runner-runner clubs hurt me, as well as runner-runner wheel cards to make Ax a straight or runner-runner broadway to make another straight. i think it was reasonable to think that my only dangers were runner-runner draws, and i could afford to take that gamble if it meant a few more bets.aseem

how about don't slow play in micro limits. Maybe in 2/4 you can slow play. but 1/2 and under I think not slowplaying at all is good. The reason I say this is that when you raise, the players are going to call 2 cold if they have top pair, they might even call with second pair. The players that are going to fold for one bet , already decided to fold wether you raise or not. Fastplaying is the new slowplaying. Buts thats just my opinion on slowplaying. I don't think it's a terrible rule when assuming most players are loose and will most likely call.(which is usually how micro limits are)Most of the time the tables you are choosing are loose or else you wouldn't sit down, correct? So if this is the case, never slowplaying is a good rule. Even in SSHE it says against players that are going to call, slowplaying just causes you to miss bets. It may not be the best rule, but it's certainly not a terrible rule.

[akishore 0]

point taken.aseem