RDog 0 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 2nd hour of 20 rebuy. Only player I know anything about is SB and he is good.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero (t4750)UTG (t2955)UTG+1 (t4303)MP1 (t17345)MP2 (t15850)MP3 (t29835)CO (t17670)Button (t9225)SB (t19595)Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K. UTG raises to t2955, UTG+1 raises to t4303, 5 folds, SB raises to t7058, Hero???. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 wtf.I can fold here barring reads that they last two guys are maniacs. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 69 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Call. UTG's range is very wide, we're obviously not scared of him. UTG+1's range is likely not that much tighter either - he is obviously short-stacked at the table, and is happy to pick off UTG's micro-stack and isolate with AQo+, 88+, often much wider. When somebody gets into the 2nd hour of a rebuy like this with a 4k stack, they're sometimes just gonna say screw it and gamble to get a reasonable amount of chips, at least in my experience. SB is obviously who we're afraid of, but his range can't possibly be KK+. Probably more like JJ+, AK, since you say he's a good player. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see a random player (somebody who we don't know is good) flip up tens or AQ in SB's spot too. In fact tens might be a good call for him there. He'll often find himself against 77 and AK. Even if you had something like 20k chips here I think you have to reshove over SB. And with your short stack I really can't even imagine folding. Link to post Share on other sites
sabes99 0 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 wow...the only way i would ever throw away kings pf is if aces were the only possible hand...the real problem player here is the SB, he is much much more likely to have aces than either of the other two guys, but he could feasibly have Q-Q or A-K, or maybe even the other two kings...i probably call Link to post Share on other sites
AKProdigy 0 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 I call. You can't limit SB's range to aces, and you gotta figure that the three other players in the pot are taking away some of each others outs. As tim mentioned, the fact that your short really makes this an auto call. Link to post Share on other sites
DrZoidberg 0 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 wtf.+1I shove, and laugh when there's only 1 ace left in the deck.....and cry when it hits the river. Link to post Share on other sites
Zelphade 0 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 i would call for sure. If one of them has aces then good luck to them.... Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 I push/call here - your stack is fairly low at this point. UTG and UTG+1 ranges are fairly wide as they are both short stacked. SB, being a good player, probably has put both players on a similar range so his range is wide enough where I wouldn't fold kings here.In looking at the comments, Tim basically covers my thought process as well Link to post Share on other sites
king1305 0 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 In the second hour of this tournament, this is a good spot right here to chip up with KK or lose if the SB happens to have AA. This looks like an ideal spot for you to chip up here and nearly quadruple your stack to make a run at taking it down. Assuming you are playing for first, you can't muck it unless you are 100% sure that one of them (most likely SB as previously mentioned, who could be trying to isolate you out with AK) has AA. Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted July 24, 2007 Author Share Posted July 24, 2007 Yeah, I pretty much screwed this one up good. Somehow early in the tourney I didn't have much left in my time bank, convinced myself that SB had AA, gave no consideration to my stack size and ****ed it up pretty good. In retrospect, it should have been a fairly easy call. For someone who never really advocates folding KK in tournies, unbelievable that I made the decision to fold. Needless to say I was still very surprised at the hands that turned up......83o, 88 and JJ. Reverted back to my days of being a tight nit I guess or wanted to make a hero laydown. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Barring sats I don't think I'll ever fold KK pf in a MTT. Link to post Share on other sites
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