Orion071 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 OK, I'm at work and don't have the HH, but here's the relevant details...Blinds are 8K/16K 1K anteI'm in the SB with AKo my stack is 180K so my M is ~5-6UTG with 500K opens for 50KMP with 200K shovesMP shortstack (50K) callsall folds to meHero ???It's been push or fold time in this tourney for quite a while so it was hard to get reads. There were very few standard raises and I hadn't noticed UTG raising many pots. We are well into the money, so it's go big or go home time. Can I go in with this hand and this action? Link to post Share on other sites
rogerwilco 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I think it would be difficult to make a convincing case for a fold here. I call for sure. Shortstack-MP is basically irrelevant, bigstack-MP has a hand, but it is unlikely that he has you crushed (and you might even dominate him). UTG is a ?, but your hand is so strong, that you just have shove it in and look what happens, in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
Vandees 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Agreed, take the shot here and hope UTG doesn't wake up with AA or KK. I think you're up against 2 worse hands, but that may be just wishful thinking.Chance to go from $160K to $450K. Gotta take the risk if you want to win the thing. Link to post Share on other sites
AcesOnFire 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Agreed, take the shot here and hope UTG doesn't wake up with AA or KK. I think you're up against 2 worse hands, but that may be just wishful thinking.Chance to go from $160K to $450K. Gotta take the risk if you want to win the thing.Agree completely, gotta play to win. Chances are you are facing a pair or two but with the money in the pot you can't lay AK down. Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Shove and go for the glory. AQ is a fold here but I'm getting it in with AK. Link to post Share on other sites
sabes99 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 this situation sucks pretty much, but i can't think of a good result that comes from folding, you're short on chips and MP probably has a pretty wide range as he doesn't have much more than you, and the shortstack's call is pretty much irrelevant, so you have to take your chances and probably expect to have to beat 3 other hands as UTG is being laid a big price here Link to post Share on other sites
Yahkin 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Short of their being a huge jump in winnings by sitting this out and letting someone else bust out....shove it in and spike the ace. Link to post Share on other sites
Canuckickstan 2 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Shove and go for the glory. AQ is a fold here but I'm getting it in with AK. What about KK, QQ or JJ ? Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 What about KK, QQ or JJ ?I shove KK/QQ and fold JJ Link to post Share on other sites
sabes99 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I shove KK/QQ and fold JJi would probably play the J-J...A-Q is still a fold though Link to post Share on other sites
DrZoidberg 0 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 It's a shove, when it's push of fold most people will shove A10 or better, so you're likely to have them dominated, worst case you're flipping coins with one or more. But yeah, you gotta play to win, it's definitely worth it to shove here. Link to post Share on other sites
Orion071 0 Posted July 24, 2007 Author Share Posted July 24, 2007 Thanks for the replies. I guess I need to work on my late game some more. I ended up folding and UTG folded as well. MP that had me covered showed JJ and the shortstack had AT. The ace on the river would have given me a 500K pot. Link to post Share on other sites
cubbybri 0 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 I think normally you'll see a PP and and Ax in these ahnds. Does knowing you likely are a least one out down make much difference?? Link to post Share on other sites
DrZoidberg 0 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 I think normally you'll see a PP and and Ax in these ahnds. Does knowing you likely are a least one out down make much difference??I think I'd rather know that an an opponent has a weaker ace, less live cards for him, sure you've lost one Ace out, but you still have all your kings, running into a PP is worst case, in a tourney this big you have to have faith in your preemo hands, luck favors the bold! Link to post Share on other sites
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