Argh...flopping Two Pairs

[bdc30 0]

Poker StarsPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.05/$0.106 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $10.20Hero: $23.95CO: $6.05Button: $8.80SB: $2.05BB: $26.15Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 5 3 6 8 UTG folds, Hero calls, CO raises to $0.45, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero calls.Flop: 5 9 3 ($1.4, 3 players)BB bets $0.8, Hero calls, CO raises to $4.55, BB folds, Hero raises to $8.4, ???Co raised preflop, then raised the pot on the flop, he's gotta have aces, right?? Do my redraws make this a good enough hand to push?

[meservery 0]

Bottom 2 in a 3 way pot w/ 2 spades on board. You have no spades. I don't see much of a redraw if you are behind... Sevens that arent spades? ur 4 boat outs?Fold to the CO raise.EDIT: 1000!RE-EDIT: I just blew a 60K stack in the 3r and I'm pissed.

[sabes99 0]

i raise pfas played, if you're going to just call and let the third player raise it then you were better served to raise it first...that way you avoid having to make a decision once you get raised...and i have to say that going all-in probably is a bad play after getting raised, you are at best a small favorite over aces and could be a small dog to a big draw or up against a hand like J-10-9-9 which you would be virtually dead against

[Actuary 3]

CO is pot committed.So your raise seems irrelevant.I would think you have tthe best hand enough to go to showdown, so either way it gets in the pot.

[BudBundy 0]

Come on this is an easy fold after CO's repot.

[simo_8ball 1]

Come on this is an easy fold after CO's repot.

[Actuary 3]

Come on this is an easy fold after CO's repot.

help me see this.I see 99 kills us- seems unlikely after preflop, but could be like 7899ds..We probably have to dodge spadesBut at this level, aren't we winning enough? given the stacks left,please go slow.

[meservery 0]

But at this level, aren't we winning enough? given the stacks left,

Maybe. But at this level we are probably better off pushing strong draws and strong made hands, as opposed to this type of vulnerable hand.

[BudBundy 0]

CO's repot tells us he has us crushed right now. What is his repot range? Set , Top Two , an open ender + flush draw like 76 with flush draw maybe. Something like 8764 maybe.At best he has naked flush draw which makes us %65?We invested only 90 cents in the pot so far. Is it really profitable to call a repot with bottom two and a gutshot on draw heavy board?

[Actuary 3]

CO's repot tells us he has us crushed right now. What is his repot range? Set , Top Two , an open ender + flush draw like 76 with flush draw maybe. Something like 8764 maybe.At best he has naked flush draw which makes us %65?We invested only 90 cents in the pot so far. Is it really profitable to call a repot with bottom two and a gutshot on draw heavy board?

but don't many players over paly UI AcesOverpairs here?He raised preflop which seems to limit the really bad hands he could have.but go on....

[BudBundy 0]

Of course he can be overplaying but why are we taking our chance without any reads? UI AAxx is pretty much the only hand we are crushing.I agree on some flops bottom two + a gutshot can be profitably played against a possible overpair but this flop is too dangerous to be playing it IMO.

[navybuttons 16]

this is a good hand to analyze. at first i liked it, but i think bud, simo and propokertools omaha simulator have convinced me otherwise. i ran our hand against possibilities and here's what equities i got for our hand:63.8 against AA**51.95 against AA w/ spades and no pair (there is obviously some overlap here w/ a random AA**)46.1 against AK9x w/ spades47.75 against *s*s**so our hand is behind a random hand w/ 2 spades and at best we have about 65% equity, and at worse we are drawing at runner-runner quads. this leads me to a fold on the flop unless CO ONLY raises preflop w/ AA and in that case we get it in and it's a slightly positive coinflip (his other 2 cards are more likely to hit the board in this spot IMO). how much "we" have invested doesn't matter, but i no longer think this is a spot where we're gonna wanna play for stacks.

[Actuary 3]

but what is our Expected Equity. The pot has $7+Sometimes we are 60% sometimes we are 5%..

[bdc30 0]

but what is our Expected Equity. The pot has $7+Sometimes we are 60% sometimes we are 5%..

I'd be interested to see these #'s as well. Anyways, we got it all in, he had AAxx without the spade draw and bricked out. Was none too impressed by my play on the flop. Shrug.