Seemed As Good A Time As Any

[bdc30 0]

Poker StarsPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.05/$0.106 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: $18.65UTG+1: $4.10CO: $10Button: $1.80SB: $19.80BB: $16.65Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 9 5 8 A Hero calls, UTG+1 raises to $0.55, 3 folds, BB calls, Hero calls.Flop: 7 6 J ($1.7, 3 players)BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1.75, BB calls, Hero raises to $8.75???

[David_Nicoson 1]

UTG+1 is pot-committed (if he's smart), so we're semibluffing into a dry side pot. I like betting out better.

[bdc30 0]

UTG+1 is pot-committed (if he's smart), so we're semibluffing into a dry side pot. I like betting out better.

He's not the one I'm after with the c.r, I was trying to whipsaw the player in the middle. UTG1 is pretty shortstacked.

[sabes99 0]

i just pot it straight out, no reason to get tricky with this hand, you've got a monster draw

[David_Nicoson 1]

He's not the one I'm after with the c.r, I was trying to whipsaw the playes in the middle. UTG1 is pretty shortstacked.

So what do you hope will happen?

[bdc30 0]

UTG+1 was going to bet, there was no doubt.I was hoping for edit--BB-- to call so that I could come over the top of them both. UTG1 was too shortstacked, and was calling a repot, but I was hoping to get some dead money caught in between him and I.

[sabes99 0]

UTG+1 was going to bet, there was no doubt.I was hoping for a few callers that I could come over the top of. UTG1 was too shortstacked, and was calling a repot, but I was hoping to get some dead money caught in between him and I.

if you're trying to play a multi-way pot, i don't think it's the greatest idea in the world to raise, then...you could just call at that point and hope to catch a card

[bdc30 0]

if you're trying to play a multi-way pot, i don't think it's the greatest idea in the world to raise, then...you could just call at that point and hope to catch a card

edit-sorry, I had this confused with another hand.I was just trying to use my position to trap BB in to putting money in the pot where he was obviously weak or drawing, and I felt I had a big enough draw to do so.

[Actuary 3]

I suck at seing outs.I was like, um... you have an oesd?But now I see, 4,5,8,9,T are outs, many to the nuts to.Weakest part of my game.The pf call seems loose; but I play a ton of hands and I'd play this one unless it was a table with a ton of aggression preflop.Would it make more sense to not pot it, but to get BB to put some more in with a smaller raise?

[sabes99 0]

I was just trying to use my position to trap BB in to putting money in the pot where he was obviously weak or drawing, and I felt I had a big enough draw to do so.

the problem i see is that you don't have a multi-way draw, although you do have a ton of outs, and if you expect the BB to be drawing then he is bound to be holding some of your outs...in fact, you're holding some of your own outs

[David_Nicoson 1]

edit-sorry, I had this confused with another hand.I was just trying to use my position to trap BB in to putting money in the pot where he was obviously weak or drawing, and I felt I had a big enough draw to do so.

So you're hoping that the BB calls one bet with, say, 2 pair and then folds?This is a good draw and all, but we're ****ed against some 89Tx hands.

[bdc30 0]

The hope though with the big re-pot was that if the BB did hold some of my outs and was drawing at the same straight, I made the price too high for him (imo) and he would have to let it go. If he had a set (therefore not holding my outs) then I think he has to call, and I like my chances with as many cards as I have that will make my hand.It's sort of a win-win for me. If he's drawing at the same hand and folds, I can "clean up" some of my outs and prevent a chop. If he's not, and is leading right now and calls, at least most of my outs should be live.

[sabes99 0]

If he's drawing at the same hand and folds

the bold is the key point...if he has a big straight draw also he will not be folding

[BudBundy 0]

you won't play these hands from UTG when you move up , will you?

[BudBundy 0]

double postaments

[simo_8ball 1]

Definitely fold preflop.Straight draws usually have pretty decent implied odds (especially at this level, I'd say), and by c/cing the flop the pot will be big enough to extract good value on the turn.Take the 3:1 drawing odds and see a turn.