Getting Value With Quads

#1 Jam-Fly

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 05:17 AM

Just after break in a $10k guart, $11+R MTT.

PokerStars Game #10881705406: Tournament #54945779, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/07/11 - 09:07:52 (ET)
Table '54945779 7' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: bär81 (710 in chips)
Seat 2: $GrosOnTrees (6980 in chips)
Seat 3: EdTenor (26690 in chips)
Seat 4: Sydex79 (3500 in chips)
Seat 5: andyh26 (11825 in chips)
Seat 6: loveliv (10620 in chips)
Seat 7: slendi (16200 in chips)
Seat 8: Dalken (10265 in chips)
Seat 9: HardcorePawn (15405 in chips)
$GrosOnTrees: posts small blind 75
EdTenor: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HardcorePawn [Qh Qc]
Sydex79: calls 150
2 folds
slendi: calls 150
Dalken: raises 300 to 450
HardcorePawn: raises 750 to 1200
5 folds
Dalken: calls 750
*** FLOP *** [3c Qs Jh]
Dalken: checks
HardcorePawn: checks
*** TURN *** [3c Qs Jh] [Qd]
Dalken: checks
HardcorePawn: bets 1050
Dalken: calls 1050
*** RIVER *** [3c Qs Jh Qd] [Ac]
Dalken: checks
HardcorePawn: bets 2700

Looking for comments on play on all streets. Any other way to maximize value?

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 05:36 AM

I like a larger reraise preflop. I think I'd pop it to about $1600.

I'm undecided about the flop. Checking looks very suspicious, but there aren't many hands he can pay you with. I probably lead weakly at it. $1k might work.

As played, I like your turn and river bets.

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 05:41 AM

I'd bet something on the flop, and try to make it look like a weaker bet hoping to induce a raise, but at the very least, sweetening the pot a little more. If he is going to fold, he is going to fold. Otherwise you're just giving him a free chance to catch up if he has AK.

Pots ~2750 on the flop? I bet 800-1450, at least to get a call, hopefully to get a raise.

QUOTE(Acid_Knight @ Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008, 2:10 AM)

That's why I just blindly fling money into the pots until they fold.

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 07:36 AM

i like a larger re-raise pf as well, about 1800 i think

i don't think you can really go wrong on the flop, by betting you disguise your hand, by checking you allow him to possibly make something, and if he doesn't then you weren't getting paid off anyway

i think i might be tempted to check the turn as well and really try to sell A-K, but it could easily give away the strength of our hand, so it's kinda risky...i like the river bet

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 11:59 AM

QUOTE (sabes99 @ Wednesday, July 11th, 2007, 7:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I don't like checking turn tbh. Betting the turn makes it look like I have either an absolute monster (QQ or JJ) or nothing. Like, making a bet when the queen hits, when I didn't bet the flop looks strange, so he could easily put me up on ace high or a small pp.
Also, I want to try to build the pot a little bit. If I check turn, and he has an okish hand, there's way I'm getting all my chips in the middle on the river. At least betting on the turn gives me a hope of getting it all in.

Ty for input all