BudBundy 0 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $39.95UTG+1: $33.80Hero: $49.25Button: $46.60SB: $168.40BB: $45.50Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 6 5 4 3 UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, Button raises to $2.75, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.Flop: Q 2 6 ($11.25, 4 players)BB checks, UTG bets $11.25, Hero calls, 2 folds.Turn: J ($33.75, 2 players)UTG checks, HeroDo implied odds justify the flop call?Is pf loose? Link to post Share on other sites
sabes99 0 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 i'm ok with the way you played it pf, if you hit a good flop you can win a big pot against A-A-x-xi think you should raise the flop, although calling isn't bad...you've hit a good flop here with a pair and a 12-out wrap that is probably live considering the cards needed to fill it, and by raising you get better draws and the button's likely A-A-x-x to fold their hands here...worst case scenario is you're against a set and are a 2-to-1 underdog, but given that board it's unlikely that you're against a set...i probably pot it right here and hope to take it down, and if someone plays then we just gamble Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 i'm ok with the way you played it pf, if you hit a good flop you can win a big pot against A-A-x-xi think you should raise the flop, although calling isn't bad...you've hit a good flop here with a pair and a 12-out wrap that is probably live considering the cards needed to fill it, and by raising you get better draws and the button's likely A-A-x-x to fold their hands here...worst case scenario is you're against a set and are a 2-to-1 underdog, but given that board it's unlikely that you're against a set...i probably pot it right here and hope to take it down, and if someone plays then we just gambleI was thinking just that very thing. I would rather get the money in on the flop when we have 2 draws at our straight instead of after seeing the brick turn, but when we do see that brick and get checked to, I think we pot it there too. Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share Posted July 10, 2007 I am counting only 9 outs. And 2 6s for trips against a possible overpair which makes 11 outs for us.I thought about repotting flop to take advantage of fold equity but 3 things changed my mind ;1)UTG has only 22$ left. He will need to call 22$ for a 54$ pot if i repot. 2) There isn't a single draw on that flop. Which hand does he strongly lead into a preflop raiser and 2 other callers on that flop? I thought it must be a set or somehow Top Two.3)There are 2 players behind me.I read an article about how we should just check/call with good draws draws unless we believe we have really good fold equity. Looking at UTG's stack , i didn't think i was getting a fold from any hand that pots that flop. I agree i can get a fold from AAxx but why do i want a fold from AAxx? I am not winning this hand unless i hit and if i hit i will have the nuts , in that case don't i want AAxx in the pot? Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 The more I'm looking at this hand, I'm talking myself in to folding on the flop. I hate holding my own outs in plo. I'd be all over it if it were some kind of a wrap draw, but this feels like drawing to a gutshot. Fold>Raise>Call imo. Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share Posted July 10, 2007 The more I'm looking at this hand, I'm talking myself in to folding on the flop. I hate holding my own outs in plo. I'd be all over it if it were some kind of a wrap draw, but this feels like drawing to a gutshot. Fold>Raise>Call imo.Isn't it the exact reason it is so good? I have 9 outs all to gutshots. Doesn't it boost my implied odds? I don't think a set can fold when i hit because it is a gutshot. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Isn't it the exact reason it is so good? I have 9 outs all to gutshots. Doesn't it boost my implied odds? I don't think a set can fold when i hit because it is a gutshot.Are we up against a set here ever? Meh. Implied odds would matter more if the stacks were deeper I think. As you say, he's only got $22 left. You're not getting him out of this pot with a crowbar and you're taking the worst of it trying to catch up, the whole way. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I'd raise preflop.I like the flop call. You have enough implied odds IMO. It's probably close though. I don't actually mind repotting either. You have a lot of fold equity over AAxx.Check the turn. Take a free card. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 I fold the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 I'd need to work it out, but I don't think it makes too much difference either way. Factoring in potential free cards on occasion, and that we have a 3-flush, it's very close. Link to post Share on other sites
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