9 replies to this topic

[rogerwilco]

Insta-fold or do you play that hand?

UTG was very tight, but still a donk probably, only showdown was when he called down all the way with bottom pair/weak kicker. The other two players are donks, but no specific read beyond that, unpredictable.

edit: $10 STT btw.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 (t1190)
MP1 (t575)
MP2 (t3805)
CO (t1110)
Button (t2370)
SB (t1750)
Hero (t1705)
UTG (t995)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9.
UTG raises to t200, 1 fold, MP1 calls t200, 2 folds, Button calls t200, 1 fold, Hero?.

[simo_8ball]

I'd shove TT every time here. 99 seems closer, but it's still a shove. I'd probably shove 88 too.

[sabes99]

i think i'd just call and take a flop, with almost 35 BB i think we have enough left to just take a flop and play the hand cautiously

[simo_8ball]

i think i'd just call and take a flop, with almost 35 BB i think we have enough left to just take a flop and play the hand cautiously

Yeah, but look at the stack sizes we are against. If they all had >1700 shoving would be too much of an overbet. It's going to be very tough to continue postflop unless we hit a set, and we don't have the implied odds to call if we are playing set or fold on the flop.

[jmbreslin]

Simo, could you explain why you might shove here? It seems like a suicide move to me...

[Zach6668]

Lots of dead money.

We're probably ahead.

[simo_8ball]

Simo, could you explain why you might shove here? It seems like a suicide move to me...

Notice the stack sizes. UTG only has $1k, and MP1 has $575.

While I'm a little worried about MP smooth calling over 1/3 of his stack, there is 675 in the middle already.

I'm not worried about the button (any hand TT+ would usually reraise from his position).

[sabes99]

Notice the stack sizes. UTG only has $1k, and MP1 has $575.

While I'm a little worried about MP smooth calling over 1/3 of his stack, there is 675 in the middle already.

I'm not worried about the button (any hand TT+ would usually reraise from his position).

true, maybe just difference in styles, but i'd rather not shove and have the button gamble for half his stack with A-J/A-Q and play a big coin flip...or worse than that, be crushed by the UTG player and lose more than half our stack

[NEtwowilldo]

Lots of dead money.

We're probably ahead.

I like

[throwemaway]

I just typed out a thorough response to this and it got erased..Im gonna throw the laptop through the window

Ok here it goes again

I don't really like any of our options here..Its a tricky hand..First off, I thought calling and playing for set value would be a good idea but there is not enough implied odds due to utg and mp1 being really short..99 is almost never going to be good unimproved in a 4 way pot postflop, which rules out cold calling..Also I think original raiser's range from UTG is pretty tight..He just put in 1/5 of his stack from utg which shows a fair amount of strength to me..I would assume that MP1's money is going all in here, due to him calling 1/3 of his stack pf..Very strange play, could mean monster..I just have a feeling you end up in a 3 way all in pot with not enough dead money in there (250) to justify the push

With all that in mind, I just think folding is the best option..Limited implied odds, OOP, signs of strength from multiple opponents, etc