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[DonkSlayer]

Villain is a decent LAG, not so tricky, respects my game. Both of our stacks are about $80. Table (9-handed) is very loose/somewhat passive. $.5/$1 NL.


Hero is on the button with

Preflop: 2 players limp, Villain (CO) raises to $4. Hero calls. Middle limpers call.


Flop:


Checks to Hero. Hero bets $3. One MP caller, Villain calls.


Turn:


MP checks. Villain bets $8. Hero calls. MP folds.


River:


I say "Don't bet." in the tone of "watch out man." Villain says "I have to." and then bets $15.


Thoughts on how the hand played out? Our decision?

[David_Nicoson]

I'd call the river as played.

I'd like to raise the turn. If he has a king, he's probably going to give us a lot of action.

[simo_8ball]

Raise the turn.

As played, I probably just call the river, but it's close.

[sabes99]

the flop bet is, uh, way too small...if you're going to try to get value on the flop, then try to get some real value, or just check, but making a miniscule bet does little

other than that, i might just call the river, or make the min-raise for value, depends on the feel

[simo_8ball]

the flop bet is, uh, way too small

I totally missed that.

Yeah, bet more on the flop. Also, I've changed my vote to a raise on the river because of this.

[Money022]

Definitely need to bet more on the fop. Theres $12 in there and you bet $3. I'd have liked to have seen at least $8 with a K on the flop. Missed a chance to raise on the turn to and get called by trips. The A is kind of scary. I think with the way it was played I'm just calling the river bet since we don't really know where we stand.

[simo_8ball]

The A is kind of scary. I think with the way it was played I'm just calling the river bet since we don't really know where we stand.

I don't see villain having AK. Surely he would raise the flop nearly 100% of the time.
K7 unlikely.
K5 unlikely.
I think his most likely hands are 77, KQ and KJ. Maybe KK, but that would be kinda sick.

I don't see how the ace changes anything.

[whiterice714]

the flop bet is, uh, way too small...

agreed

[Hugo de Jong]

I don't see villain having AK. Surely he would raise the flop nearly 100% of the time.
K7 unlikely.
K5 unlikely.
I think his most likely hands are 77, KQ and KJ. Maybe KK, but that would be kinda sick.

I don't see how the ace changes anything.

Are you missing the fact that he might have pocket Aces and he's affraid of someone having three Kings until he sees the Ace.
- he doesn't want to push the flop
- he bets $8 to see where his aces are and there is no raise ! he knows at this point you dont have a king ( with random ).
- on the river he has the nuts.. so he has to bet, since the only thing you could have on the turn was pocket kings with no raise.
- You've signaled to be slowplaying something. At best he has to put you on AK or KK here. So indeed he has to bet and not be happy about it.

[makeyourself]

without meaning to sound rude. i think ur thinking about this way too much. at this level he would surley make the same play with Kx or better. just call the river and see I really don't see how u can pinpoint him on a specific hand. you have to call the river

[simo_8ball]

Are you missing the fact that he might have pocket Aces and he's affraid of someone having three Kings until he sees the Ace.

He doesn't have aces. He didn't raise the flop. I can't see how AA would ever overcall the $3 bet on that flop rather than raising.

I guess it's a slight consideration, but it's so unlikely that I didn't bother mentioning it.

[simo_8ball]

without meaning to sound rude. i think ur thinking about this way too much. at this level he would surley make the same play with Kx or better. just call the river and see I really don't see how u can pinpoint him on a specific hand. you have to call the river

The question is do you raise? Not 'can you fold'?

[meservery]

Villain is a decent LAG, not so tricky, respects my game. Both of our stacks are about $80. Table (9-handed) is very loose/somewhat passive. $.5/$1 NL.
Hero is on the button with

Preflop: 2 players limp, Villain (CO) raises to $4. Hero calls. Middle limpers call.
Flop:


Checks to Hero. Hero bets $3. One MP caller, Villain calls.
Turn:
MP checks. Villain bets $8. Hero calls. MP folds.
River:
I say "Don't bet." in the tone of "watch out man." Villain says "I have to." and then bets $15.
Thoughts on how the hand played out? Our decision?

Have not read replies yet... Please raise the turn.

EDIT: and bet $9 on the flop, call river.

[DonkSlayer]

Whether it was obvious I was trying to be tricky or not, I definitely was not weak when I called his turn lead.

Does he act like he acts with anything I can beat except Kx? Does he raise preflop with Kx and not bet the flop?

I mean, if this guy was just some LAG online, I put him on KK as often as any other hand here, right?

[simo_8ball]

Does he raise preflop with Kx and not bet the flop?

Goddamn I suck at reading comprehension. I totally missed that point. I just read it as you being OOP on the flop then in position after that.

His flop check is really odd.

Screw it - bet more on the flop, raise the turn and probably just call the river.

[Lavitz]

Whether it was obvious I was trying to be tricky or not, I definitely was not weak when I called his turn lead.

Does he act like he acts with anything I can beat except Kx? Does he raise preflop with Kx and not bet the flop?

I mean, if this guy was just some LAG online, I put him on KK as often as any other hand here, right?

If villian has quads he took a very strange line. His line is pretty strange no matter what he has. Check/calling on a K high rainbow flop then leading turn is a bit unusual. I'm a little worried about 77. Your hand is totally under repped because you bet so small on the flop and cold called turn. If ace doesnt hit river I'm pushing this every time. With ace I think calling/raising gets closer but I'm still going to take the non nit line against a LAG and raise, especially since he can't possibly put you on a monster the way you played the hand so weakly.

[Merby]

Whether it was obvious I was trying to be tricky or not, I definitely was not weak when I called his turn lead.

Does he act like he acts with anything I can beat except Kx? Does he raise preflop with Kx and not bet the flop?

I mean, if this guy was just some LAG online, I put him on KK as often as any other hand here, right?

Certainly your check on the turn wasn't because you were afraid of being beat (coolers happen, we cannot dwell on the fact that our next big hand might be coolered). Nevertheless, you're losing a lot of value here by checking. Pairing the top card on the turn is the perfect situation to trap Kx for a lot of money. Obviously a boatted king isn't folding, but most other kings will be willing to commit a lot more money to the pot as well, and you're way ahead of those holdings.

[DonkSlayer]

EDIT: and bet $9 on the flop, call river.

I just read this. Ugh. I'm sure that a LAG who respects my game would raise me with a hand I could beat more than 50% of the time.

[DonkSlayer]

Certainly your check on the turn wasn't because you were afraid of being beat (coolers happen, we cannot dwell on the fact that our next big hand might be coolered). Nevertheless, you're losing a lot of value here by checking. Pairing the top card on the turn is the perfect situation to trap Kx for a lot of money. Obviously a boatted king isn't folding, but most other kings will be willing to commit a lot more money to the pot as well, and you're way ahead of those holdings.

Why would Kx check the flop?

[simo_8ball]

I've come to the conclusion that villain played this hand badly.