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[tgo007]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($34.95)
MP2 ($102.75)
MP3 ($63.70)
CO ($100)
Button ($183.05)
Hero ($103.15)
BB ($51.10)
UTG ($116.60)
UTG+1 ($36.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, MP2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $7.5, 1 fold, UTG calls $6, MP2 calls $6, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($23.50) J, 4, T (3 players)
Hero bets $15, UTG raises to $35, MP2 folds, Hero ???

No stats on Villian. He limped in Ep. A set seems very likely. I run into this situation a lot with AA/KK/QQ. Do most of you guys fold? If the stacks were smaller, then it becomes an easy push?

[WonderfulSplash]

Without reads/stats this is a very gross spot. Personally, I think your equity against his range is at best 50% against a big draw, and at worst two outs against a set- J10 seems out of the question as he would be trying to protect his hand. I think i make a note that villain makes cute raises against cbets on the flop and fold.

[code1390]

Toss it. Live to fight another day.

[sabes99]

without knowing anything about this guy this is a tough spot...i probably take a card off for $20 more and see what he does on the turn, but it does look like he could easily have 4-4

[whiterice714]

Without reads/stats this is a very gross spot. Personally, I think your equity against his range is at best 50% against a big draw, and at worst two outs against a set- J10 seems out of the question as he would be trying to protect his hand. I think i make a note that villain makes cute raises against cbets on the flop and fold.

why can't he have J 10? makes as much sense as 44 doesn't it?


he bets just shy of teh whole pot (35 vs 38 &change) how is that not protecting?


tough spot to be in, esp OOP... personally i think i'm calling & re evaluating the turn. i'd fold unimproved to another large bet on the turn.

[fopkins]

why can't he have J 10? makes as much sense as 44 doesn't it?
he bets just shy of teh whole pot (35 vs 38 &change) how is that not protecting?
tough spot to be in, esp OOP... personally i think i'm calling & re evaluating the turn. i'd fold unimproved to another large bet on the turn.

Nope. He raised less than half the pot. 38 + his 15 call = 53. He raised another $20 into the 53 pot.

Personally I've seen a lot of players put you on a continuation bet with AK or AQ here, and all they have is a pair. This is a very bad spot, but I likely push.

[DonkSlayer]

This is a very bad spot, but I likely push.

And when, after several sessions, you find yourself a loser even though you've been seeing raised flops with the best hand, you might realize why.

We've got to chuck this one. J10, set or big draw are all very likely. We can talk pot size all day, but unless it's a big draw, we're either WA or WB all day long, and pot odds don't matter much.

[simo_8ball]

I think AJ is in the range as well.

[fopkins]

And when, after several sessions, you find yourself a loser even though you've been seeing raised flops with the best hand, you might realize why.

We've got to chuck this one. J10, set or big draw are all very likely. We can talk pot size all day, but unless it's a big draw, we're either WA or WB all day long, and pot odds don't matter much.

Um, so you think his range includes a big draw (where we'd be 45/55 at worst), and we're WA/WB? Don't get it.

Thanks for the personal attack, I appreciate it. Perhaps had he bet the pot on the flop and got raised, it would be easier to get away from. As played, if I am villian and he underbets the flop, I assume continuation bet and raise him with a pair, and sometimes with air. $15 bet into $25 pot is bad poker, especially on a draw heavy pot.

[WonderfulSplash]

why can't he have J 10? makes as much sense as 44 doesn't it?

Not even close, J10 is much more vulnerable to counterfits and redraws than 44, a min raise here is almost never going to be 2 pair on a board this draw heavy. I'm not saying to disregard the possibility, but i definitely wouldn't put much weight on it when ranging.