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[pocket_change]

This happened last night and was one of the sickest hands of my life based on the way it turned out.

Full $200 NL table, blinds are $3/5

I'm in the big blind with 10d3d

Bobby, who is a horrible/loose player at Hollywood Park and everyone knows him, says he's going all-in blind for $23 under the gun. Six people call him so I'm like "Okay I call too." Pot is like $175 already and I have to put $18 in. Flop comes Jd4x8d. Flush draw. Everyone checks to the button, who bets $75 in what might be a steal attempt, might not be, but still gives me the odds to call. Then the small blind, who sucks and is a horrible player, goes all-in for $99 ($24 over the original bet). I call, knowing that the button will call also. He calls. Turn is a 3c. I come out and bet $100 to stop the button from betting huge or going all-in. He calls. River is a 10! I bet another $100. He raises me to $300. Now I'm a little worried that he could have either JT or TT, but the way he raised was fishy, plus I'm too deep into the pot with no flush and and unlikely straight out there. The guy that raised me is a Vietnamese dealer and is pretty solid. I think he had me on a broken flush draw or just one jack and thought I would lay down. If he had a great hand, he would have went all in. I call and he says "Good call." And the table was in disbelief that I made runner-runner two pair. Pot was (8x23=184) + (99x3=297) + (2x100=200) + (2x300=600) - 5 (rake) = 1276. The irony is Bobby's punk *** showed pocket kings so he really wasn't all in blind. lol.

Was this as horrible a play as my table made it out to be? To their extreme discredit, only one person and the dealer realized I was on a flush draw off the flop. Two people were like "How do you call with 10-3 on that flop?"

[Zach6668]

Please do not include results.

[Acid_Knight]

Please do not include results.

He runs bad and hasn't been getting much sleep.

[Vandees]

Um, fold preflop. Every time. What are you hoping to flop with that hand? A draw commits a lot more of your money, you just got lucky in this case. 2 pair I guess, or a flop like 6, 3, 3. Then you lead the turn and river. Wow, you'll either be rich or broke. Odds are the latter

Obviously I don't like the play. Fold that hand. But it worked out for you...this time.

[No_Neck]

I like your blog btw... I have been following the thread in general, but do me a favor and read the rules up top before you post.

I play the same way, not sure about the blocker bet on the turn, i would check there myself... other than that it is pretty standard, I don't think you can throw away your hand getting like 6-1 on the river.

Also I probably end up check calling on the river because I am weaksauce

[pocket_change]

Whoops.. sorry about that, honest mistake. You guys can lock this up or delete. My bad. Vandees, I agree that I should not have been in the hand and yes, I was looking to hit the flop big.

No_Neck...thanks. I figure if he had the set with JJ or anything better he would have raised the turn. Could have hit JT or TT though.

Again, sorry about the rookie post.

[No_Neck]

Whoops.. sorry about that, honest mistake. You guys can lock this up or delete. My bad. Vandees, I agree that I should not have been in the hand and yes, I was looking to hit the flop big.

No_Neck...thanks. I figure if he had the set with JJ or anything better he would have raised the turn. Could have hit JT or TT though.

Again, sorry about the rookie post.

lol you should see my first post, it was about making a $100 at 2/4 limit holdem in about 2 hours... I was ready to turn pro.

[Zach6668]

No worries man.

Welcome to the strat forums.

[sabes99]

i fold before the flop, you might be getting 10-to-1 on your money but still, you have 10-3 against six opponents, you're probably more than a 10-1 dog

the only other play that i have a problem with is the river bet, i think you should have bet more and looked to get value for your hand

[whiterice714]

yeah it was played wierd...


me, i'm calling PF in that situation pretty much always... i dont care what anyone says about the hand being trash & blah blah blah... why can't it come 10 7 3 or 2 diamonds (you're not ALWAYS AGAINST A HIGHER FD... actually it's usually good if you hit it - obv depending on if the board's paird etc) yeah most of the time i fire those rags into the muck outa turn, but NOT ALWAYS...

i understand styaing in this hand after the flop.. after calling PF w/ that trash you're not going anywhere when you hit one of the FEW flops that can be good for you.


not sure if i like the turn bet but i understand your reasoning & it's obv you were trying to complete your flush / hit another 3 or 10 that MIGHT be good...


good read on the button... he'd def have tried to protect his hand better if he had something worth while...



i dont really mind this play that much... but i like to gamble maybe a lil more than the next guy in situations like that (getting like 6:1 when you're partially invested - EVEN IF IT IS THE SMALL AZZ BB) and it shows people you're down to do just about anything (which can be either good or bad for your image depending on how you play)


i enjoy making "spontaneously irrational" plays sometimes simply because it's virtually impossible to follow a line like that...



*i dont know why 'bobby' would say "all in blind" after seeing kings as he's got to think half the table's going to call him down... you dont want KK vs 8 people lolz..

[sierradave]

Besides my general habit of folding 10-3s preflop, there are two things I don't particularly like here: first, I *particularly* don't want to call with 10-3s in a protected pot. 10-3 doesn't play well against a random hand. You can't bluff with it because there's already an all-in. So you're stuck calling OOP with suited, unconnected junk. And even if you happen to hit huge here, it's a protected pot, so other players will know you aren't bluffing and usually won't pay you off.

On a similar note, I don't see how the $75 bet by the button is a steal attempt. I guess maybe the guy could be trying to get heads-up with a random hand for a big pot, but there's a decent amount of draw on that board and he's betting into a dry side pot!

My guess, given the way the side pot played out, is that he had the nut flush draw and you were drawing crazy-slim the whole way.

All that said, nice pot man.