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[JTPHS]

player betting into me is simply terrible. Not entirely sure if i'm beat or not.overcalls or should i just be raising here.Table 'Pyrrhus' Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 2: bolopower ($27.25 in chips) Seat 4: JTP-HS ($36.75 in chips) Seat 5: stinky odie ($72 in chips) Seat 6: frokenGul ($32.50 in chips) Seat 7: merry ($63 in chips) Seat 8: SimonBelmont ($41.75 in chips) Seat 9: Marusha ($24.25 in chips) Seat 10: Shiromagius ($38.50 in chips) merry: posts small blind $0.50SimonBelmont: posts big blind $1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to JTP-HS [Th Ad]Marusha: folds Shiromagius: folds bolopower: calls $1DrGio888 is connected JTP-HS: calls $1stinky odie: folds frokenGul: folds merry: calls $0.50SimonBelmont: checks *** FLOP *** [3h Ac 4c]DrGio888 has returnedmerry: checks SimonBelmont: bets $1bolopower: calls $1JTP-HS: raises $1 to $2merry: calls $2SimonBelmont: calls $1bolopower: calls $1*** TURN *** [3h Ac 4c] [Qs]merry: checks SimonBelmont: checks md10dob removed from table for failing to postbolopower: bets $2JTP-HS: calls $2merry: calls $2SimonBelmont: calls $2*** RIVER *** [3h Ac 4c Qs] [Ah]merry: checks SimonBelmont: checks bolopower: bets $2JTP-HS: calls $2merry: folds SimonBelmont: calls $2*** SHOW DOWN ***bolopower: shows [Kc Qc] (two pair, Aces and Queens)JTP-HS: shows [Th Ad] (three of a kind, Aces)SimonBelmont: mucks hand JTP-HS collected $25 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $26 | Rake $1 Board [3h Ac 4c Qs Ah]Seat 2: bolopower showed [Kc Qc] and lost with two pair, Aces and QueensSeat 4: JTP-HS showed [Th Ad] and won ($25) with three of a kind, AcesSeat 8: SimonBelmont (big blind) mucked [8h As]

[Absolute]

make anyone on a draw behind you call two cold on the turnraise the river

[cdddc75]

With no preflop raise, you should rule AQ and QQ out as possibilities. Unless he made a garbage two pair with that queen, you're still ahead. Raise that turn. And definitely raise that river.

[akishore]

you guys are missing the point.obviously he thinks he has the best hand on the river, and heads-up, obviously it's a raise.but his question is: is that a time to go for overcalls, since you have two to act behind you??i lean towards raising, but i can see an argument for overcalls. i'm interested to hear more on this.aseem

[holman3rd]

akishore said:

you guys are missing the point.obviously he thinks he has the best hand on the river, and heads-up, obviously it's a raise.but his question is: is that a time to go for overcalls, since you have two to act behind you??i lean towards raising, but i can see an argument for overcalls. i'm interested to hear more on this.aseem

Alert--dumb question coming....Please explain the concept of "overcall". I can't respond unless I clearly understand what it means.Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I should know already. Sorry. :cry:

[cdddc75]

akishore said:

you guys are missing the point.obviously he thinks he has the best hand on the river, and heads-up, obviously it's a raise.but his question is: is that a time to go for overcalls, since you have two to act behind you??i lean towards raising, but i can see an argument for overcalls. i'm interested to hear more on this.aseem

There are two issues here:1. "player betting into me is simply terrible. Not entirely sure if i'm beat or not." - raising the turn would answer that question2. "overcalls or should i just be raising here." - a fish is probably equally likely to call one or two cold with the second ace hitting on the river...raising also allows you to cap if the bettor reraises

[Swift_Psycho]

holman3rd said:

akishore said:

you guys are missing the point.obviously he thinks he has the best hand on the river, and heads-up, obviously it's a raise.but his question is: is that a time to go for overcalls, since you have two to act behind you??i lean towards raising, but i can see an argument for overcalls. i'm interested to hear more on this.aseem

Alert--dumb question coming....Please explain the concept of "overcall". I can't respond unless I clearly understand what it means.Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I should know already. Sorry. :cry:

Going for an overcall is calling with a hand because you feel that players to act behind you might fold for 2 cold, but would call one more bet. You would try for overcalls in situations where calling instead of raising would make you more money.

[akishore]

holman3rd said:

Alert--dumb question coming....Please explain the concept of "overcall". I can't respond unless I clearly understand what it means.Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I should know already. Sorry. :cry:

let's say you're on the button in a three-way pot on the river. the player first to act bets, and the second player calls. now, if you also call, you are "overcalling". it takes a significantly better hand to overcall with than to just call with (heads-up), because you have to beat two or more hands, not just one.similarly, if you're in a multiway pot second to act, and the first person to act bets, you can either raise to hopefully shut down overcalls, or you can just call and hope that others call behind you.aseem

[Absolute]

akishore said:

you guys are missing the point.obviously he thinks he has the best hand on the river, and heads-up, obviously it's a raise.but his question is: is that a time to go for overcalls, since you have two to act behind you??i lean towards raising, but i can see an argument for overcalls. i'm interested to hear more on this.aseem

i don't think i missed the point.i actually thought i was fairly clear.raise the turn.

[cdddc75]

General comment about why I generally don't like going for overcalls:You limit your potential winnings by going for overcalls. Unless you are at a table filled with mice, playing for overcalls is not the best way to maximize profit.In this case, the OP is hoping for just two more BB to be added to the the pot. By raising, the range of BBs the other three opponents can add to the hand is 0 BB (if all three opponents fold, not likely) to 12 BB (if it is a four way capped pot).

[wrto4556]

Raise the turn. You have to protect your hand in this big pot.Raise the river. Weaker aces are going to call 2 cold all day.Also, you go for overcalls when you are not sure you have the bettor beat, but are fairly certain you have everyone behind you beat. This river call isn't horrible since you didn't raise the turn and you aren't certain you have the OG bettor beat. If you raised the turn and were 3-bet it would be a perfect time for overcalls. If you raised the turn and the OG bettor just called, the river is an easy bet/raise.PS. Raise preflop. ATo from middle position is good.

[JFarrell20]

It's probably OK to go for overcalls. The only point in raising here is if you think the river bettor will re-raise you, in which case you'd cap.Overcalls here with 2 people behind you is OK b/c chances are they'll call with almost anything.Frankly I'd probably rather raise thought cuz there's always the chance that it can get capped 3 or 4 ways. Much better than a two-way cap, or two additional overcalls.But raise preflop with that hand. Also raise the turn.