Oesd/fd Against The Lag

[Scott3705 0]

Beginning to pick up on some tendencies of the LAG who sat down to my left. IMO, he was a very good player. Only thing exploitable I felt like I picked up is that he can't take his foot of the gas unless some one gives him a reason to. He's value-bet the worst hand twice on the river and had to fold to a raise once. Hero($1650) j 9 COVillian covers by a little call it $1700. ButtonMP2 limps, i limp, villian limps, SB limps, BB checksFLOP (25)8 k 10 checks to me, I bet $25, villian raises to $75, i callTurn($175)3 I check, he bets $125, i callRiver ($425)3 I check, he bets $175, I reraised to $600.1. If a bluff is right is this the right amount?2. More obvious question, was his previous river problems enough to try to run this? 3. Does his river bet look more like a monster that thinks i'm too light to call much or a marginal hand that think i'm too light to call much.

[rdtedm 0]

You played this hand exactly like a busted draw trying to win it at the river. If I'm villain, I'm calling with any K, maybe hands like A-10/Q-10.You can't expect villain to think you have a GREAT hand. KK/10-10 raises the flop and turn bets because the flop is draw-heavy, AK probably raises the flop or turn as well. Only hands that make sense with this play is a busted draw.

[Webslinger516 0]

You can't expect villain to think you have a GREAT hand. KK/10-10 raises the flop and turn bets because the flop is draw-heavy, AK probably raises the flop or turn as well. Only hands that make sense with this play is a busted draw.

Or pooooossibly but generally you're gonna get called here by a reasonable opponent.

[Scott3705 0]

You played this hand exactly like a busted draw trying to win it at the river. If I'm villain, I'm calling with any K, maybe hands like A-10/Q-10.You can't expect villain to think you have a GREAT hand. KK/10-10 raises the flop and turn bets because the flop is draw-heavy, AK probably raises the flop or turn as well. Only hands that make sense with this play is a busted draw.

I'm not gonna lie, i'm a donk and would have played 88 k 10, k8 and maybe 1010(probably raise preflop though) against this player.

[Webslinger516 0]

I'm not gonna lie, i'm a donk and would have played 88 k 10, k8 and maybe 1010(probably raise preflop though) against this player.

You would play them for sure. The thing is... would any of those hands played the way you did? The flop was pretty coordinated, so I would expect a set or top two to try to protect their hand. I think you've told an inconsistent story throughout this hand and if I were the villain I'd call the river.

[Acid_Knight 2]

The line is not unreasonable, except that you're almost always raising the turn with one of those monster hands.I want to see you getting more money in on the flop here and not c/ring the river.

[SCS 0]

I reraise flop to about $250-300.

[Scott3705 0]

You would play them for sure. The thing is... would any of those hands played the way you did? The flop was pretty coordinated, so I would expect a set or top two to try to protect their hand. I think you've told an inconsistent story throughout this hand and if I were the villain I'd call the river.

Sorry, I meant the same way against this villian. Possibly C/ring the turn since his turn bet was kind of on the border for me of protecting his made non-drawing hand/bluffing with a draw. I don't know... I would protect my hand alot but I wasn't sold that he was semi-bluffing a draw so if I had a bigger hand, I would have been willing to let him keep betting given his history. So in summation you're right that reconstructing the hand might/would come to that. But, I really would have played a set that same way against the villian (with a smaller reraise on the river) which maybe got me thinking my line was more believable.

The line is not unreasonable, except that you're almost always raising the turn with one of those monster hands.I want to see you getting more money in on the flop here and not c/ring the river.

That was my knee jerk reaction here until I thought about what I would do on the turn. With both of us deep-stacked in an unraised pot, I don't really have a chance to get even more than a quarter of my stack in on the flop (unless i run into 1010 and 88 in which case that really sucks). So if I raise to $200 and get cold-called and a card exactly like the turn comes, C/R push the turn optimal at this point (hoping for a free card)?As a side note, this is probably not worth nothing in a forum discussion, part of the reason I took this line was because I wanted the villian to slow down with the three-barrelling because he was really handcuffing me at this point. Probably an unnecessary risk.

[mtdesmoines 2]

Beginning to pick up on some tendencies of the LAG who sat down to my left. IMO, he was a very good player. Only thing exploitable I felt like I picked up is that he can't take his foot of the gas unless some one gives him a reason to. He's value-bet the worst hand twice on the river and had to fold to a raise once. Hero($1650) j 9 COVillian covers by a little call it $1700. ButtonMP2 limps, i limp, villian limps, SB limps, BB checksFLOP (25)8 k 10 checks to me, I bet $25, villian raises to $75, i callTurn($175)3 I check, he bets $125, i callRiver ($425)3 I check, he bets $175, I reraised to $600.1. If a bluff is right is this the right amount?2. More obvious question, was his previous river problems enough to try to run this? 3. Does his river bet look more like a monster that thinks i'm too light to call much or a marginal hand that think i'm too light to call much.

I think when villain raises to $75, I re-raise to $300 or so.

[Snamuh 0]

I reraise flop to 250. I think if you are going to bluff like that, do it on the turn.

[Acid_Knight 2]

That was my knee jerk reaction here until I thought about what I would do on the turn. With both of us deep-stacked in an unraised pot, I don't really have a chance to get even more than a quarter of my stack in on the flop (unless i run into 1010 and 88 in which case that really sucks). So if I raise to $200 and get cold-called and a card exactly like the turn comes, C/R push the turn optimal at this point (hoping for a free card)?

I do think the c/r push on the turn after a reraise on the flop seems optimal. If he checks behind and you miss the river, oh well, I guess he gets to win the pot. I just gamble with hands like this becuase you're never in bad shape.

[Scott3705 0]

Results:I really misread where he was. Villian mucks 6d 7d and says I guess you don't fall for the VBAB (which I really did hook line and sinker here). I guess i should have just called. haSo I really have no idea if this was a good bluff against this player with the hand I felt like I was against. As I said before, I would have played a big hand the same way against him and risked the hearts coming which I guess made me think my line was more believable.